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Images Show the Buk that Downed Flight MH17, Inside Russia, Controlled by Russian Troops

September 8, 2014

By Magnitsky

New evidence has been found that shows the Buk missile system that was used to shoot down MH17 on the 17th of July came from Russia, and was most likely operated by Russian soldiers. Using videos posted by locals in Russia’s Belgorod region back in June it has been possible to identify the Buk missile launcher seen in Ukraine on July 17th as part of a convoy of Buk missile launchers. It has also been possible to identify the Russian brigade the Buk is likely to have belonged to, and who may have operated the Buk missile launcher when it was in Ukraine.

The Buk launcher can be identified because of a number of features, including white markings on the left side side of its chassis, and what looks like the traces of a number that has been painted over. Here is a comparison of the Buk seen in previously unpublicised video taken in Russia on the 23rd of June with a well known image from Paris Match, which shows a Buk in Donetsk at 9am on July the 17th.

On the left: the Buk in a column of Russian military vehicles seen on the evening on the 23rd of June on the motorway from Staryy Oskol to the OEMK steel works in the Belgorod area.  Source. On the Right: Image from Paris Match. Source

On the left: the Buk in a column of Russian military vehicles seen on the evening on the 23rd of June on the motorway from Staryy Oskol to the OEMK steel works in the Belgorod area. [Source]  On the Right: Image from Paris Match. [Source]

The above picture with the contrast boosted showing a third matching marking.

The above picture with the contrast boosted showing a third matching marking.

Numerous earlier studies of vehicles inside Ukraine has shown it has been standard practice for Russian forces to paint over the numbers on their vehicles before sending them into the Ukraine. In the Paris Match image, much of the remaining number has now been painted over. However, it is still possible to see the top curve of what was a “2” and the other two white marks. It’s important to note that these markings are in exactly the same positions on the Buk in both images.

Here is a comparison of the Paris Match picture with an image of the same Buk in a convoy of Russian military vehicles in Alexeyevka, a town around 70 miles from Staryy Oskol, on the 24th of June.

Left: Same Paris Match image as above. On the right: image from a video taken near the Magnit store in Alexeyevka on the 24th of June. [Source]

Left: Same Paris Match image as above. On the right: image from a video taken near the Magnit store in Alexeyevka, Russia on the 24th of June. [Source]

The above image also shows the matching marks on the left side of the Buk. It’s also possible to confirm that this is the same Buk by looking at the other side of the vehicle. The Buk seen moving back to the Russian border on the 17th has a white patch on the armoured skirt of its right side. This patch is also visible in a video filmed around Staryy Oskol in Russia, which was uploaded on the 23rd of June.

On the left: an image from a video widely spread in the wake of the MH17 tragedy. [Source]. On the right: another unpublicised video from around Staryy Oskol uploaded on the 23rd of June. [Source].

On the left: an image from a video widely spread in the wake of the MH17 tragedy. [Source] On the right: another unpublicised video from around Staryy Oskol uploaded on the 23rd of June. [Source]

The videos of the convoy of Russian vehicles in June shows a number of Buks are part of the convoy.  However, keeping track of the one with with the markings that match those seen in Ukraine in July is simple, as only three Buks in the column do not have railings on the back of their turrets.

Here is an image to illustrate what these railing look like, and what the Buk looks like without them; the top image is one of the systems seen in the Alexeyevka video, on the bottom is an image of the Buk that is suspected of being used to shoot down MH17, filmed in Staryy Oskol.

The top image is an example of a Buk with railings. [Source] Bottom image: the Buk with the markings outside of Staryy Oskol. [Source]

The top image is an example of a Buk with railings. [Source] Bottom image: the Buk with the markings outside of Staryy Oskol. [Source]

Out of the Buk launchers in the column filmed in Russia in late June, three are without railings on back of the turret. Two out of these three have identification numbers on the side; number 231 and 232. Buk number 231 can be ruled out as the Buk in the July videos and photos has completely different markings on its right side and does not have a patch of white on its right skirt.

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Buk 231 with a diamond shaped marking and no white patch. [Source]

The below images show that the Buk that was filmed in Luhansk after the attack does not have the railings on the back of its turret.

Top: Buk without railings filmed in outside Staryy Oskol. [Source] Bottom: Same Buk in Luhansk after the attack. [Source]

Top: Buk without railings filmed outside Staryy Oskol. [Source] Bottom: Same Buk in Luhansk after the attack. [Source]

The Buk that had been seen in the Staryy Oskol area in June has marks on both sides that match those seen on the Buk before and after the attack on July 17th. Just like the Buk linked to the attack on MH17, it does not have railings on the back of its turret, and the back section of its turret is also a dark colour that matches what we can see in the photograph in Torez. The vehicle is also distinctive, for instance, it is the only one to have that distinct set of markings out of the entire column of vehicles that was seen in late June.

Furthermore, the fact that it was heading towards the Ukranian border in the weeks prior to the attack on the airliner means that it is possible to conclude that the Buk seen in Russia was the Buk that was smuggled into Ukraine and used to shoot down MH17.

It’s also possible to determine which Russian unit the Buk is likely to belong to by examining the vehicles in the column.  The videos of the convoy travelling to Ukraine show that the vehicles have area code “50” on their registration plates, which indicates that they belong to the Moscovskiy Voenniy Okrug (MVO) or the Moscow Military District.

The area code “50” is visible on the registration plates of the vehicles in a video taken in the Krasneyskiy area on the morning of the 24th of June.

Truck in the convoy heading to Alexeyevka on the 24th of June (note: the timestamp on the video is wrong). [Source]

Truck in the convoy heading to Alexeyevka on the 24th of June (note: the timestamp on the video is wrong). [Source]

The dashcam recording appears to have a time/date stamp error and reads “2011.01.01”. This is clearly wrong for numerous reasons, including the summer weather in the video is radically different from the Staryy Oskol area in wintertime and the exact same vehicles are visible in multiple videos; see the white minibus here, here and here at 0:54.

A resident of Staryy Oskol also confirmed that the registration numbers on the vehicles in the convoy had the “50”  code. The user rokerrson posted on instagram on the 23rd of June:

This evening, a column of military hardware passed through our city, which included, mobile RLS [radar], ZRK [air defense missile system] Buk (if correctly identified), a bunch of tented Urals and other vehicles, generally around 80-100 units in total, including a field kitchen and refueling trucks. Presumably, these are troops of the CVO [Central Military District] on exercises and they moved in the direction of the Ukrainian border with the Belgorod region.

Later, the poster added the following: “correction with the CVO… vehicles with Moscow numbers (50 rus)”.

The Moscow Military District has two anti-aircraft missile brigades that are specially outfitted with Buk systems. These are the 5th Zrbr “Buk”, which is based in Shuya and the 53rd Zrbr “Buk” which is based in Kursk. The 5th brigade can be ruled out because according to multiple sources it has been moved out of the Moscow Military District and into the Western Military District, and is now head-quartered in St Petersburg, where it uses the “43” area code on its vehicles.

As Kursk is relatively close to Staryy Oskol it makes sense that the convoy was comprised of the 53rd brigade and departed from its base at V/Ch (Military Unit) 32406. This is also confirmed by the earliest video of the convoy, taken during in the morning or afternoon of the 23rd June,  which shows the vehicles driving away from Kursk and in the direction of Kharkiv. It is therefore likely that the Buk belongs to the 53rd brigade from Kursk.

Moreover, it also appears the 53rd “Buk” brigade not only uses the “50” area code on their registration plates, but their troops have uploaded pictures of some of the same vehicles that can been seen in the videos taken around Staryy Oskol. Here are two photos of a the same truck, the first image is from the video in the Krasneyskiy area and the second was uploaded by Ivan Krasnoproshin who serves in the 53rd brigade.

On the left: a truck in the convoy to Alexeyevka on the 24th of June. [Source] On the right, the same truck  photographed by Sergeant Ivan Krasnoproshin of the 53rd “Buk” brigade in Kursk. The license plate reads “0639АН50”. [Source]

On the left: a truck in the convoy to Alexeyevka on the 24th of June. [Source] On the right, the same truck photographed by Sergeant Ivan Krasnoproshin of the 53rd “Buk” brigade in Kursk. The license plate reads “0639АН50”. [Source]

Here are pictures of a Buk Snow Drift Radar unit. The first was uploaded by Kranoproshin in 2013 and the second is from the video of the convoy in Alexeyevka.

The third vehicle from the left is a Snow Drift Radar that can be used as part of the Buk system. The number on the side reads “201”. [Source]

The third vehicle from the left is a Snow Drift Radar that can be used as part of the Buk system. The number on the side reads “201”. [Source]

A Snow Drift Radar with identification number “201” in Alexeyevka on the 24th of July. [Source]

A Snow Drift Radar with identification number “201” in Alexeyevka on the 24th of July. [Source]

Krasnoproshin inside one of the unit's vehicles. The chevrons indicate that he is a sergeant. [Source]

Krasnoproshin inside one of the unit’s vehicles. The chevrons indicate that he is a sergeant. [Source]

The following picture shows Krasnoproshin at the headquarters of military unit 32406, note the missiles in background which are displayed for show on the parade ground.

Ivan Krosnoproshin at the parade ground of the 53rd brigade on the 22nd of July 2012 [Source]

Ivan Krosnoproshin at the parade ground of the 53rd brigade on the 22nd of July 2012 [Source]

The following image shows the parade ground of the 53rd brigade from above, the same missiles are visible on the south side of the parade ground.

The missiles in the image above confirm Krasnoproshin's location in the earlier photo. [Source]

The missiles in the image above confirm Krasnoproshin’s location in the earlier photo. [Source]

The following is a satellite view of the 53rd brigade’s vehicle park:

Vehicle park map

This image suggests that the large number of vehicles seen in the column in June probably came from the 53rd brigade. The brigade itself is part of the Russian Protivo Vozdushnaya Oborona (PVO), or Anti-Aircraft Defense troops. As a unit specially supplied and trained to use the Buk, the 53rd brigade had both the ability and the means to shoot down  MH17 on July the 17th.

The Buk that was seen leaving the suspected area of the missile launch on the 17th of July most likely belonged to and was manned by Russian troops from the 53rd Kursk Brigade. The new information presented in this article adds to the existing evidence that the Russian government bears responsibility for the tragedy.

 

Magnitsky

Iggy Ostanin is a freelance Russian journalist who does investigative research on the Ukrainian conflict. He tweets under @magnitsky and can be contacted at iggy.ostanin@gmail.com

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197 Comments

  1. Barren-Samadhi

    Krosnoproshin on parade ground: needs more work:
    1) the figure behind him holding a red book, has no shadow stretching out behind to the right,
    2) the satellite view of parade-ground needs trees to the west to match ones visible to the right of Krosnoproshin on parade
    3) whatever is holding up the missiles on the parade-ground ought to be partly visible just behind/left of Krosnoproshin’s red book
    4) the left missile should be casting a shadow onto right missile, given sun position

    HTH 😉

    Reply
    • Jan

      Barren, luckily you are not an army informations interperter.

      1) The shadow starts right exactly where the shadow of the table ends
      2) The trees should not be west but to the South and they are there
      3) If you follow the link to the source you can see that there is actually no large undercarriage under those rockets. So no, you should not see them in this picture.
      4) The rockets actually DO cast a shadow on the ground. You just don’t want to see it. Check directly underneath the left page of the red book he is holding (right page on the picture). What do you think that dark long shadow is?

      So hopefully this troll and conspiricy theory has been busted.

      Reply
      • magadankomsomol

        ГРУ – не то чтобы идиоты, но не вписаны в жидо-кремлёвскую тусовку, но подчинены этой тусовке.
        По причинам, на которые в разборе боевой задачи время не трачу,скажу, что поражение Малазийского- Боинга- из Нидердандов – Буком-на территории Украины – недалеко от границы с Россией я назвал в 2010 году на каббалистической сессии в Институте Управления МВД.
        По тем же причинам, отвлекать на которые не буду в разборе боевой задачи, на этой каббалистической сессии присутствовал генерал армии Иванов (глава администрации и директор ФСБ
        Бортников)
        Кроме них были хозяева жидо -Кремлёвской сессии со снятыми с начальника охраны штанами, дквками порноактрисами в из МВД в звании от капитана до полковника и мамка МВДшных шлюх(нимф)
        генерал-гермафродит Иванова(Иващенко). Генерал МВД Иванова в тот период была самолётной соской Путина.
        Не важно в данном применении к разбираемой задачи, что каббалистическую сессию можно назвать допросом с применением гипноза и порнопровокаций – это всё вопросы терминологии.
        Девки еблись натурально, с начальнтка охраны были сняты штаны, он был скобурой и в подгузнике. На мой вгляд -каббалистический шабаш.
        Выше длинное утверждение через дефис написано с целью акцентировать внимание на набор не частых, бросающихся в глаза, и безусловно представляющих интерес для комплекса ФСБ-ГРУ утверждений.
        Не важно, что в то время это нельзя было назвать иначе как паранойя.
        Ну назвали, а доложить или зафиксировать были обязаны.
        Не зафиксировали показания и не доложили. Причина – далее в наказание за причинённые мне мучения на этом допросе сессии я сказал Иванову, буквально: вот за то, что генерал Русской армии принимает участие в этом безобразном еврейском шабаше – генерал МВД ЛЕВИ -садист-гомосексуалист руководил эти шабашем – ты генерал армии Иванов – именно ты – отдашь приказ транспортировать этот Бук в светлое время суток.
        Ребята!Дорогие!Кто служит, а не ходит в Москве по еврейским шабашам с девками в генеральских погонах и не лижет пизду соске Путина из Президентского самолёта!
        Проследите – я уверен – не мог я ошибиться назвав столько подробностей!
        Приказ на транспортировку Бука в светлое время суток исходил от Главы Администрации Президента Путина Иванова

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    • Krasimir Delchev

      You are making me laugh,
      maybe tomorrow we are expecting some real information from the investigation of the authorities, and you have made supposedly some social media pictures investigation and made such a concludions.

      You are really blind or you are well paid false flag propagandist,
      the real hard questions and evidences tell us absolutely different story!

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    • Michael

      First the light is from behind the people to his right. That makes the light to his front.That means that the shadow would be behind him.
      I have to be honest you clearly don’t know what you are talking about. Why bother to rip the rest apart.

      Nothing that could fly high enough to shoot it down was in the area nor was anything capable of this. It was clearly a launcher . The planes the Ukraine have could not fly high enough to shoot down said plane. That kills that notion. Only thing left is a ground based interceptor.

      Not rocket science.

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  2. Michelle

    Great work as always. I wish the harshest of penalties upon those who had a hand in shooting down that plane.

    Reply
    • Gary Anderson

      I am sorry, but this was more likely a Ukrainian false flag, because the US paid for the Ukraine revolution which may have had another false flag. You can’t trust Zionist regime change anywhere in the world. Read about Yinon Zionism on the net and apply it to this revolution. Nuland, assistant secretary of state and married to PNAC cofounder, Robert Kagan, is well versed in false flags. Wake up people.

      Reply
      • Ivan Ivanov

        I am sorry, but you are an idiot troll with your “US paid” and “Zionist” BS. Go choke on a dick

        Reply
        • David Williams

          Well said. More of the US lunatic fringe trying to pollute the discussion with crackpotisms.

          Reply
          • Chelim Yrneh

            Yes – completely agree with you; these “false flag” conspiracy nut-jobs really need to get real. Occam’s Razor, among other factors, should teach ’em. I suspect that lots of these “False Flaggers” are trolls seeded by the FSB and whatever the MVD is these days ….

        • Rob Heusdens

          There are enough witnesses that can tell you that these so-called “peacefull” demonstrators in Ukrain maidan were in fact paid violent thugs, so the Ukrain “revolution” was in fact an illegale takeover. They even shot there own demonstrators in the back to make the govt. look bad. All this us proven beyond doubt.

          Reply
          • Trolls say dardnest things

            Rob Heusdens – “All this us proven beyond doubt.”
            Who proved it? Life News, Russia Today or similar prostitutes of Russian press? By the way, your butchered English betrays you as a poorly educated Russian troll. You’ve got to work harder for people to buy what you sell.

          • Ilay

            You know.. I was there. On Maidan in Kiev. And nobody paid me. What was I doing wrong? You didn’t see how Kiev citizens walked to the streets after peaceful demonstration was beaten by police. That was the match that ignited all. All next days people struggled while the president Yanukovich was stealing billions of hryvnia. And all ended when he left Ukraine. Troops cease fire almost immediately.

            If you are talking about advisers, you should understand that there are always advisers. Yanukovych used russian ones, opposition western ones. Got it?

          • Paul Niland

            I was on Maidan almost every day. I was never paid a penny, I never saw anyone get a penny, I didn’t see any place or mechanism where it was possible to coordinate any such payment system. And I knew every inch of Maidan as well. Plus, the only time there was any violence on maidan was when it came from the Yanukovych administration. The fighting that broke out on Hrushevskoho was another matter, that was not Maidan but a separate location. Want to know what started that violence? The laws that Yanukovych’s parliament tried to pass on January 16th. So, tell me how the US managed to make the events on January 16th happen in order to satisfy your silly conspiracy theory. It was an anti-corruption and anti-dictatorship revolution, and that’s just a simple fact.

          • Frans Smit

            Hi Rob Heusdens,
            So my peaceful friends on Maidan, residents of Kiev, never harming anyone and just demonstrating for their right to live in a country NOT ruled by a mob, are “thugs”? I don’t think so.
            Moreo ver there is not a shred of evidence for your accusations of a “takeover”.
            Beside sthis, I think you should apologize for your rude language anyhow. Behave please. Don’t call honest peaceful people thugs. Be a true and decent ambassador of your own country. Then you would really earn my respect.
            Greetings from a fellow Dutchman.

      • Kache

        So…. you’re buying into Igor Strelkov’s theory that the plane was loaded with corpses in Amsterdam then flown by auto-pilot to Ukraine where it was blown up from a bomb on the plane? That, by the way, is also the official version of events at Russia Today. Keep in mind that Strelkov, the self-proclaimed defense minister of the People’s Republic of Donetsk, actually started this war by seizing a town with his private army of 2000, and is still wanted for mass murder war crimes in Bosnia. But that is just the stuff he brags about…. there’s a LOT more history to him.

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      • JDX

        Gary Anderson, your love life is probably a “false flag” event. Hello… hello? Can you hear me under that tinfoil hat?

        Reply
  3. juan

    If this is supposed as hard evidence why doesn’t the usa provide its satellite images why are the conversations between kiev atc and the mh17 classified and why is there a nondisclosure agreement between kiev nazi government holland and a few other countries? How do you explain the fact that the cockpit of mh17 is rained by bullets fom fighterjets 60 mm like the ukrainian sukoys? This evidence is if the same category as the previous social media evidence and says nothing. Just see which parties win strategically by this attack clearly not russia but more the western backed nazi’s in kiev

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    • Paulius

      Investigation is not finnished yet, they may provide sat images and other evidence AFTER it is finnished. This is very very common during such investigations. There is no such fact about bullets from sukhoys. However it is fact that BUK missile does not hit aircraft, but explodes at some distance and spreads cloud of shrapnel in aircraft direction (may look like bullet holes).

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      • Gerhard Gubelu

        To be exact – massive round bullets leave exactly round holes in the Aluminium of a plane. Can be seen e.g. on photos where some stupid fired AK47 or similar bullets on the rear of the cabin (debris of MH47), or on any photo of cars hit by bullets. shrapnels are not round like bullets, but irregulary formed, and leave because of this irregulary formed holes. Shells which are designed on impact do not leave holes anywhere in the size of the projectile, but multiple times bigger in a thin aluminium metal sheet like of the plane (compared to a tank). Also SU25 has a 30mm Gun, not 60mm…. (despite maximum operation height of 5400m with full fuel and weapons…)

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        • Sniper

          You are totally right. Su-25 is close air support aircraft and can’t even come near an airliner at 10km. With weapons it will stall above 5km.
          Su-25 also lacks the radar and speed to intercept a plane (it can’t fly supersonic) and the only AA weapons it carries are short range.
          An Su-25 couldn’t even shoot down MH17 if the pilot wanted it.

          Also. Why on earth would someone send in a CLOSE AIR SUPPORT plane to intercept a plane when they have fighters such as Su-27 and MiG-29 in service?

          Su-25s, Su-27s and MiG-29s are Russian aircraft. They are in service with Russia and Ukraine. Ukraine has probably been cut of from spare parts. So even if MH17 was shot down by any of these (which it clearly wasn’t) it could just as well have been a Russian.

          The damage is indeed exactly like shrapnel from high-explosive shrapnel warhead of BUK-M1.

          30mm rounds would turn an unarmored airliner in swiss cheese. Cut it to pieces.

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          • Chris

            Frogfoot can break the sound barrier, but you’re right, those holes certainly did not look like anything an attack aircraft would spit out.

          • Fariz

            True. Su-25 was around on ground strike mission at the time, so they tried to blame it. When it was absolutely clear that Su-25 could not deal this damage with its rockets, they created gun fire version, which is even more absurd. Anyone who knows a bit about this plane knew from the start that it is simply no way for Su-25 to bring down Boing. But, honestly, after the first weeks’ Russian versions (plane, full of zombies, for example), version with Su-25 look sane at least for a majority of Russian people they try to sell it to. How many airplane experts are among people who watch Russian TV?

          • Sniper

            The holes in the wreckage are of different sizes. So they can’t be of an automatic weapon.
            Even the biggest holes are to small for 30mm autocannon.

            I bet that if a Russian plane gets shot down conspiracy theorist will claim it was shot down by an A-10. 😀

            @fghg:
            The maximum altitude of Su-25 is 7km WITHOUT WEAPONS.
            Loaded with fuel and weapons the maximum altitude is 5km.
            Its a close air support aircraft, it doesn’t need to go higher.

            @Chris:
            Maximum speed is mach 0.8. So it can’t break the sound barrier.
            Maybe only when diving down with maximum speed.

      • USA murders

        And coincidentally targeted the pilots panel directly. If you see the images OSCE had disclosed the target point for this (shrapnel) is aimed right at the cockpit…. Dang them Rebels sure know how to aim that buk..

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    • alex

      >60 mm like the ukrainian sukoys
      Investigators were not allowed by rebels to place a long time, with the remains could do anything
      > kiev nazi government
      Such rhetoric gives you in russian, stakeholder of this conflict
      >why is there a nondisclosure agreement between kiev nazi government holland and a few other countries?
      Believe me, the dutch goverment would not be silent if there was a fault Ukraine

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      • peter storm

        “Believe me, the dutch goverment would not be silent if there was a fault Ukraine” Believe me, the Dutch government is very much on the side of the Kiev government. Foreign minister Timmermans has backed that goverment from day one. If Kiev would have something to hide. the Dutch government would help Kiev with hiding it. Being Dutch myself, I have followed the news and media here, and the pro-Kiev attitude of the Dutch government and media is suffocating. This says nothing, ofcourse, about who is responsible for the plaine crash. But the idea that, if Kiev would be to blame, Dutch government “would not be silent” is unjustified.

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      • Milan

        >Believe me, the dutch goverment would not be silent if there was a fault Ukraine

        Milan from Serbia here. That statement is probably a bloody lie . Take an example of Srebrenica in Bosnia. Everybody knows what happened there because Dutch government said that? Right? Sorry that was a bloody lie. Srebrenica was isolated muslim town surrounded by serbian populated towns and villages. Dutch military was developed there to “protect muslim civilians”. But they are actually protecting muslim paramilitary fundamentalist which escaped from being captured and reorganized there. They used Dutch protection for months to launch bloody genocide attacks to surrounding serbian towns and villages from “protected zone”. Dutch military and government knew that, but they didn’t do anything to stop that. But when serbian forces tried to protect serbian civilians by neutralizing muslim fundamentalist paramilitary forces in Srebrenica ,that suddenly became a war crime. Actually, Dutch government and top military commanders should be prosecuted for the war crimes in Bosnia because they lied and denied and were responsible for mass murder of Serbian civilians in Potocari and other serbian towns and villages around Srebrenica. So their statement is totally irelevant even in this case. They are just one small screw in NATO propaganda machine.

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        • Miro

          “When serbian forces tried to protect serbian civilians by neutralizing muslim fundamentalist paramilitary forces in Srebrenica ,that suddenly became a war crime”. Are you fucking kidding me? A 94 years old man is a paramilitary force and more than 100 boys aged 14 – 18 are paramilitary forces? Really? You fucking idiot should be shot in the head exactly 8000 times for all the victims that lie buried in Potocari cemetary by your Serbian “liberators” of Srebrenica. Miro from Croatia

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    • Chris1

      Russian trolls should really try harder to find a new propaganda line tan “kiev nazis”; it makes them way too easy to spot.

      And ignores that there are no shortage of Russian Neo-Nazis in the DPR (ex: Pavel Gubarev).

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    • morda

      Damn, when you russian trols will evolve in your propaganda? “kiev nazi government”, “hunta”, “karateli” are outdated terms already and don’t work outside Russia anymore. Try to elaborate some more elegant curse stuff, ok? Stop propagate stupid bullshit, you look ridiculous

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    • kiwi

      russians love lying they have conquered the art of deceit, that’s how they got their nine time zones and now they want more under the guise of a restarted WW2. I hope they get smashed to pieces in Ukraine, they deserve it.

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  4. Jan

    Barren, luckily you are not an army informations interperter.

    1) The shadow starts right exactly where the shadow of the table ends
    2) The trees should not be west but to the South and they are there
    3) If you follow the link to the source you can see that there is actually no large undercarriage under those rockets. So no, you should not see them in this picture.
    4) The rockets actually DO cast a shadow on the ground. You just don’t want to see it. Check directly underneath the left page of the red book he is holding (right page on the picture). What do you think that dark long shadow is?

    So hopefully this troll and conspiricy theory has been busted.

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  5. Paul

    “has no shadow stretching out behind to the right,” – u have to see more carefull. His shadow is a thing line between tables’ shadow and further on the officer. These soldiers are standing in front of the each table. \
    😉

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  6. Peter Peeters

    Thank you for your information the shooting down of the MH 17 in the east of the Ukraine. May those who are responsible be punished.

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  7. Vladimir

    Good analytics. On the other hand there was no doubt that russian army commited this horrible crime. Especially taking into consideration the following facts:
    1. Ukrainian army had no anti-aircraft missiles in the area (as terrorists had no aircrafts. there was symply no reason in them in the area. Most of ukrainian radars there were destroyed by terrorists and their russian chiefs)
    2. Terorrists before the day of tragedy shot at least half a dozen of ukrainian aircrafts including those flying at above 7-8 km heigh (the height where only a couple of anti-aircraft complexes actually work such as BUK).
    3. As mentioned lately their target was not MH17 but AEROFLOT jet. In case of downing the AEROFLOT this would surely give a reason for militry occupation by russians of Ukraine.
    4. The other important issue that proves russian trace is that only a well learned soldier (officer) can operate this complex. The comples as you see on the pictures consists of at least three machines:
    – Machine with missiles
    – radar (machine with the shield on the picture)
    – command machine
    No terrorist (except for the trained officer of regular army) can operate it. Such complex is no AK.
    Back in July no one believed in russian army on the territory of Ukraine. Now thigs turned to be more transparent. No one would deny it.
    Yes they are occupants again: Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine. Is this the end?

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    • Vlad

      I’m sorry for you and your judgement, but there is no “no doubt” that “the Russian Army” downed the airplane. Your are definitely blinded by your political views, hence the use of the term “terrorists”. Your arguments are also false….

      1) Source?! There is no source saying that Ukraine had no AA guns in the area; or radars. Actually, the Russian Defense Ministry provided information about increased radar surveillance activity + satellite imagery of ukrainian AA guns on the dates preceding and immediately after MH17

      2) The “terrorists” indeed downed several Ukrainian airplanes, none of them which were flying anywhere as close as 10 KM, though…

      3) What?!

      4) The BUK complex that is alleged to have downed this plane was only composed of the missile platform, with no radar and command machine – hence this argument also fails

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      • Sergey

        4) Sorry, but it’s not true – BUK can be operated without separate radar station. Missiles machine has their own small radar, but capture angle is only 150 degrees – so, only very experienced officer can operate this and it’s enough to hit MH17.

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        • klomb

          >>> only very experienced officer can operate this and it’s enough to hit MH17.

          …and he will have only about half-minute to aim and shoot.

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    • Dimitri

      Dude
      Your theory is pretty thin
      Ukrainian army had BUKs in the area , it has been proven , there are videos of them in the internet
      BUK fragmentation warhead has distinctive shape pellets , I am sure some of them are still lodged in peoples bodies and in the aircraft fuselage. Still no pics of them
      Ukrainian military downed a passenger jet by accident in the 90s , I would n’t trust those idiots with BUKs
      the communication between Ukrainian air traffic and MH17 have not been released , why ?
      if the Russians wanted to control Donetsk air space , they can do it with S-300 within their borders , no need to send a BUK without its search radar to Ukraine. the BUK in pics is the launch vehicle with the acquisition radar which by itself has limited capabilities. it was captured by the seps and it belonged to Ukrainian army

      before MH17 , Ukrainian were crying about Russians downing their aircrafts across the border . now they ( you ) are claiming the Russians operated BUK within Ukraine without search radars ?

      last question , the Ukrainian air controller should have seen the BUK missile rising to hit MH17 ? unlike the Russians , they never provided radar data , why ?

      try harder

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  8. Kees

    @Juan, I believe the design of the BUK device is to create as much as possible damage when exploding. It will build a cloud of shrapnel, a lot of small pieces, which may resemblence gunshots but in fact aren’t. In my view the gunshot damage may have occurred after it landed in the warzone.

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