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Russia’s 6th Tank Brigade: The Dead, the Captured, and the Destroyed Tanks (Pt. 2)

September 29, 2015

By Askai707

This post originally appeared in Russian on the LiveJournal of Askai707, sled-vzayt.livejournal.com.

English translation by Aric Toler

Translator’s summary:

The following post is the second half of a two-part research project from Askai707. An English translation of the first half can be found here, in which Askai researches the mysterious deaths of two 6th Tank Brigade soldiers during the Battle of Ilovaysk and a Russian T-72B3 tank found on the Ilovaysk battlefield containing the documents of a 6th Tank Brigade serviceman.

In this second part of Askai’s research, his primary findings are that:

  • Two Russian T-72B3 tanks from the 6th Tank Battalion, one damaged and the other destroyed, were in villages near Ilovaysk at the end of August 2014
  • Two Russian servicemen of the 6th Tank Brigade — Ivan Badadin and Evgeny Chernov — were captured by Ukrainian soldiers during the Battle of Ilovaysk
  • Russian servicemen of the 6th Tank Brigade, including a young man named Anton Dmitriyev, posted photographs of themselves in Ukrainian villages near Ilovaysk during the ongoing battle, even going so far as to photograph themselves by a sign of the Ukrainian village name.

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In the morning of August 29, 2014, the “southern” column of Ukrainian soldiers, retreating from Ilovaysk, fell under fire from Russian army units at the village of Chervonosel’skoe in the Donetsk oblast’. While carrying losses, the Ukrainian soldiers engaged in battle. On the eastern outskirts of the village, fighters of the volunteer battalion “Donbass” were able to beat back a Russian T-72B3 tank and destroy a second (interview of a participant in the battle).

Fighters from the Donbass battalion took photographs of these tanks. On September 1, their photos were published on a news report of the television channel “24.”

The damaged Russian T-72B3 tank:
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The destroyed Russian T-72B3 tank:

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Some more details about these tanks.

Thanks to video clips and photographs that were saved by Ukrainian soldiers, we are able to examine the damaged T-72B3 tank in detail. White, medium-sized circles are clearly visible on its fender (area on the side of tank above the caterpillar track), on the box for instruments on the left side of the turret, and on the lower part of the upper-front section of the hull. These white circles are the identifying marks used on the T-72B3 tanks of Russia’s 6th Tank Brigade in August & September, 2014 (further details about the identifying marks of the 6th Tank Brigade are in the 1st part of this article).

White circles on the fender and on the box for instruments and other implements:

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The white identifying circle on the lower part of the upper-front section of the hull:

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The tank was damaged by a grenade. The arrow below points to the hole caused by the anti-tank grenade:

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The structure in the video frame is a rural house. It is located on the left side of the destroyed tank, consisting of three parts, which differ in height and the shape of the roofs:

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It is not very difficult to find this structure on the satellite map of Chervonosel’skoe.

Here are the outskirts of the village from the east side. The house is among three structures, adjacent to one another. The north structure has the pronounced, acute roof. See the satellite image from August 2013:

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On the satellite image for June 2014:

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On the satellite image for September 2014, the northern half of the house has been badly damaged. Probably, after the video of the disabled T-72B3, Russians were shelling Ukrainian soldiers who had taken refuge in Chervonosel’skoe, and this northern side of the house suffered from it.

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With the help of the satellite maps of the site Terraserver.com, which specializes in selling high-quality satellite images, we are able to see two positions of Russian tanks dug into the ground. The tanks fired on the Ukrainian column from there, when the column was driving up to the village. On August 29, the damaged and captured T-72B3 was located at the top of the firing position, which is shown in the snapshot of the map below:

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The destroyed tank, as said by the fighter in this video, is positioned near the damaged one, behind the line of bushes at the bottom of the gully:

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For verification, we can look at even earlier satellite images and be sure that there were not objects of similar shape or size at the same place at the bottom of the gully:

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See the following photographs of this Russian T-72B3 tank, taken at different times:

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On the upper part of the front section of the tank is a white circle—a mark that has traditionally been used for T-72B3 tanks from Russia’s 6th Tank Brigade during this period:

Screenshot from this video

Screenshot from this video

In all of these photos, the burnt turret with missing reactive armor bricks is to the left of the gun, which was seen near the tank’s hull in the pictures taken on August 29 immediately after the battle:

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A video from the village of Chervonosel’skoe from Rupty TV (September 2) shows this T-72B3 tank turret, displaying the traces of heavy fire, and lacking any reactive armor bricks in the same location. This is clearly the tank’s turret, burnt up at the bottom of the gully:

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Aleksandr Yermochenko filmed and photographed the turret on September 3:

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Therefore, it is not the hull of the tank near the turret in the later, but the visible tracks on the earth.

The location of the T-72B3’s turret from the gully may be determined using a video that was filmed by fighters on the outskirts of Chervonosel’skoe and from photos on social media. We can pick out meaningful objects on the photographs: the turret of a Ukrainian T-64BV tank, a grouping of trees in the distance, the turret of a Russian T-72B3 tank, and some bushes:

The same thing in a screenshot from a fighter’s video:

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These objects, just like Ukrainian equipment destroyed on the road, presents itself in the September satellite images of the northern edge of the village of Chervonosel’skoe:

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Clearly visible in the images is the furrow that the T-72B3 turret was left in after being dragged along the ground. Perhaps Russian soldiers tried to take it away right after the end of the fighting, but they were not successful.

The next important part of the evidence regarding the Russian 6th Tank Brigade: the prisoners.

On August 29, as a result of the battle in Chervonosel’skoe, Ukrainian soldiers captured several Russian servicemen, including two tankists from the damaged T-72B3 tank. On this day, fighters from the “Donbass” battalion took a video of their interrogation. In March 2015, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) published this video clip.

There are two servicemen of Russia’s 6th Tank Division from the September group photos (see photos 1, 2, and 3 from Part 1 of this article) that seem to be in the footage: Ivan Badanin (number 17 in the group photos), and Evgeny Chernov (number 10 in the group photos).

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During the improvised interrogation, Badanin and Chernov admit that they serve in military unit 54096 of the 6th Tank Brigade. Ivan Badanin introduces himself as Ivan Aleksandrovich, born in 1988, from Vologda. On his VK page, his given birthday is May 25, 1988. The city in his contact information is Nikol’sk, likely the one in the Volgodskaya oblast’. Evgeny Chernov is named as Evgeny Yuryevich, born in 1995, from Kaluga. On both of his VKontakte pages (seen here, and here), Chernov puts his city as Kaluga, and both of his pages come up when you search for people who are 20-years old in the city—therefore, his given birth year on VK is 1995.

The fact that Chernov is a tankist and was completing his service in the 6th Tank Brigade can be found from his photographs on social networks.

Evegeny is next to a T-72B3 tank with the tactical mark of Russia’s 6th Tank Brigade. The photograph’s geotag is at the village of Mulino, the place of deployment for military unit 54096. Under the photo is Chernov’s description: “Me and my iron horse.”

Another photo of Chernov with a T-72B3 tank in Mulino:

Fall, 2014. Chernov (in the center) on a tank of the 6th Tank Brigade with the identifying white circle in a field camp near the village of Latonovo in the Rostov oblast’:

Chernov (lower row, on the right) and his comrades are posing in front of a T-72B3: in the upper row in the center is Sergey Danilov (number 13 on the group photos), on the lower row on the left is Sergey Yakushev, also known as Gradov (number 2 on the group photos).

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Naturally, Evgeny Chernov saved the group photos of 6th Tank Battalion from the field camp near Latonovo in his VK photo albums. Here are the links to the pages of these photo albums:
https://archive.today/KZbaS
https://archive.today/pdLJW
https://archive.is/NZuXQ
https://archive.is/HqNPk

On his VK page, tankist Ivan Badanin left few compromising photographs, and after the appearance of the interrogation video, he entirely deleted his profile. Investigative blogger Anton Pavlushko of InformNapalm saved screenshots of a few photographs of Badanin.

Ivan Badanin near a memorial with a tank on the territory of the 6th Tank Brigade in summer, 2011:

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Badanin in his military uniform with the insignia of the armored troops, and on his sleeve is the badge of the Western Military District of the Russian Armed Forces—the district into which the 6th Tank Brigade from Mulino is in.

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Here is a snapshot of Badanin with his comrades of the 6th Tank Brigade—second on the left is Garik Pleshkov (number 3 in the group photos), and on the far right is Maksim Korotkov (number 4 on the group photos):

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This photo remains on the VKontakte pages of these servicemen of the 6th Tank Brigade, along with their photos with Ivan Badanin.

Archived pages with Badanin in a photo with Garik Pleshkov:
https://archive.today/ERHtE
https://archive.today/Z98zv
https://archive.today/OPlfv

Archived pages with Badanin in a photo with Maksim Korotkov:
https://archive.today/mCD6i
https://archive.today/DBXlK
https://archive.is/npSkt

Fighting ceased on August 30, 2014 near the village of Chervonosel’skoe. Facing encirclement from a large enemy force, a lack of ammunition, numerous injured soldiers, no prospects for reinforcements, and the threat of the destruction of Ukrainian servicemen defending Chervonosel’skoe, the soldiers decided to lay down their arms.

After the ceasefire, some Russian tankists photographed themselves at the signpost of the village of Chervonosel’skoe. Two pictures posted online were found by investigative blogger Anton Pavlushko. Thus, even more direct evidence of the participation of units from the Russian 6th Tank Brigade in the war in the Donbass came to light.

The first photograph was posted by Anton Dmitriyev after he registered on VKontakte under the name “Antokha Dmitriyev.”

In this photo on the left side is Dmitriyev’s colleague: tankist Roman Gromov (number 8 in the group photos). On the right is Antokha Dmitriev himself (number 9 in the group photos). White markers (strips, ribbons) are on both servicemen, which are used by Russian soldiers and fighters in order to tell their own soldiers apart on the battlefield:

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Shortly after the publication of this photo, Dmitriyev deleted his “Antokha Dmitriyev” account and created a new one under the name “Anton Yuryevich.” He uploaded a number of photos from his old page onto his new one, with the exception of the picture at the road sign “Червоносільське” (Chervonosil’skoe). Let’s look at a few of his photos.

Dmitriyev (right) and Roman Gromov, again posing together:

Here is a photo of three tankists on the roof of the engine compartment of a tank. From left to right: Nikolay Minakov (on VK he registered under the nickname Nikola Woolf), Anton Dmitriyev, and Sergey Malafeyev. White ribbons are tied onto Minakov and Malafeyev. As previously stated, Russian servicemen participating in fighting use these ribbons for differentiating themselves from opposing soldiers:

Here is Dmitriyev with two of his comrades, dressed in their uniforms. From left to right: Anton Dmitriyev, Roman Gromov, Pavel Osytchenko (number 6 in the group photos). In their hands, they’re holding NSVT anti-aircraft machine guns, taken from tanks.

And, of course, Dmitriyev has that old, familiar group photo in his photo album:

Similarly, the same photo is available on the page of the comrade of Anton Dmitriyev, Roman Gromov, who was photographed with him in Chervonosel’skoe: https://archive.is/TrBbL

In the following photograph, Gromov is next to a comrade, whose identity has not yet been established:

Both of them are in camouflage without any kind of military insignia, but at the same time they are wearing the identifying white bands and have light firearms. On the right, in the visible building, is a window without glass and a burnt frame. Behind it, random objects are strewn. In the foreground we can see the open door of a car, and the body of another car.

An analogous scene can be found after the battle in Chervonosel’skoe, seen clearly in three photographs (1, 2, 3).

Sergey Malafeyev posted the second photo near a road sign showing the name of the village of Chervonosel’skoe. In the photograph, he (highlighted with a red rectangle) is photographed with Anton Dmitriyev.
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The next few photographs of Sergey Malafeyev were saved after he deleted his VK account.

Photograph in January 2014. The insignia of the armored forces is clearly visible on the uniform:
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A photograph uploaded in March 2014 (you can find the date of publication for the photograph in the archived page here)

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In the September photograph, the unshaven Malafeyev is sitting on a T-72B3 with the identifying white ribbons on his legs. The tank has a small white circle on the panel by the gun on top of the turret:

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Returning to the group photograph of the 6th Tank Brigade servicemen, it must be mentioned that Sergey Malafeyev is present. Also present is Nikolay Minakov, mentioned above. In my previous post with the group photographs, they were not numbered, in contrast to the other identified servicemen.

Malafeyev and Minakov are quite similar in appearance, and there was a risk in making a mistake and mixing up their places. Now, it seems that the most accurate identifications—seen in the photograph below—is red for Sergey Malafeyev and blue for Nikolay Minakov.

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For comparison:

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For completeness of information, let’s determine the exact location of the road sign (so beloved by these Russian servicemen) for the village of Chervonosel’skoe.

The sign is located on the bend of the road at the entrance into Chervonosel’skoe from the north (its location on Google Maps). The road sign and other objects are marked below on an image from Google Earth:

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Behind the “Червоносільське” on the photographs, a Ukrainian military truck is visibly turned onto its side:

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This very truck is on a video from Rupty. Aleksandr Yermochenko’s photo shows the same truck, along with a sign:

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The road sign in the video of the fighters (on the photo, the Russian tankists are standing with their backs to the village and place from which the video was taken):

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There is no detailed and exhaustive information about which units from the 6th Tank Brigade fought near Ilovaysk and in what capacity. According to the shooting card of Aleksey Berezin, whose T-72B3 was captured near the village of Agranomichskoe, we only know that the third tank company (abbreviated “3ТР” in the card photo) of the first tank battalion (“1ТБ”) participated in the battles.

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Below is a screenshot from the video of journalist Rostislav Shapashnikov and Yegor Vorobyev. On the cartridge box of Berezin’s T-72B3 tank’s anti-aircraft gun, we see the abbreviation “3ТБ,” thus confirming that the tank came from the third tank company:

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Below is a screenshot from Yegor Vorobyev’s film “Ilovaysk – report from hell.” The ammunition box of the T-72B3 tank on which several tankists from the 6th Tank Brigade posed has the exact same abbreviation. In the photograph below, we see Nikolay Minakov and Oleg Sapurnov.

On the following photo, from left to right, are: Sergey Danilov (number 6 in the group photos), Andrey Komarov (a shared photo of Danilov and Komarov in February 2014 here), Nikolay Minakov, and Oleg Sapurnov. The identity of the fifth serviceman has not yet been established.

We cannot consider the entirety of the destroyed and damaged tanks in the Battle of Ilovaysk to be from the 6th Tank Brigade. Ukrainian soldiers destroyed two T-72B3 tanks of the 6th Tank Brigade: one near the village of Novodvorskoe, and the second in Chervonosel’skoe. Two were damaged and temporarily seized: the damaged T-72B3 in Chervonosel’skoe was on Ukrainian-controlled territory for about a day, and the captured T-72B3 near the village of Agronomicheskoe was by Ukrainian servicemen for 3-4 days.

Other than these tanks, the 6th Tank Brigade has other damaged and destroyed T-72B3 tanks, which were taken back to Russia. To date, we know about two such tanks.

On September 5, 2014, the tankist Aleksandr Lebedev (he has two accounts on VK, one old and one new) posted a photo of a T-72B3 with traces of an explosion and fire on the left side:

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Screenshots of the comments for the photo were saved. Lebedev writes that this is his tank with the side number of 612, and that his tank was damaged in battle by a guided anti-tank rocket in Ukraine.

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After this information was made public, Lebedev deleted the photo, along with other photographs where he is in a military uniform and with tanks. People managed to save a few of the photos (1, 2, 3). A screenshot was also saved of Aleksandr Lebedev’s VK profile page before it was changed:

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In the photograph, he is in the 6th Tank Brigade group and has group photographs with other 6th Tank Brigade servicemen. We can see several accounts in his friend list who are tankists of the 6th Tank Brigade: Aleksey Berezin, Oleg Sapurnov, Vyacheslav Tumashov, Evgeny Lyubimov, Nikola Woolf (Nikolay Minakov), Vadim Romanyukha. It is evident that Aleksandr Lebedev also served in Mulino.

Lebedev’s damaged tank happened to be captured in a photo from Sergey Yakushev (“Gradov”), who was number 2 in the group photos.
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At the end of 2014, the site Lostarmour.info published two photographs of a burnt-up T-72B3 tank. As of now, this is the last destroyed T-72B3 tank of Russia’s 6th Tank Brigade we know about.

Later, other photos appeared:

In the bottom of the upper-front part of the hull, an identifying white circle is still visible – like on other T-72B3 tanks of the 6th Tank Brigade that participated in the Battle of Ilovaysk (two additional photos: 1, 2)

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Original source: https://pp.vk.me/c622928/v622928622/f565/VIqWzzIwHHA.jpg

Photographs of this T-72B3 were put onto social networks by Russian servicemen from the field camp near the village of Vodino. These soldiers were deployed on the border in the Myasnikovsky and Neklinovsky regions of the Rostov oblast’.

Vitaly Makarevich of military unit 11386 (105th Logistical Support Brigade) posted photographs on his VK page that have a geotag at Vodino. In these photographs, destroyed or damaged equipment is visible, including: a self-propelled howitzer 2S3, a T-72B tank with dismantled reactive armor (archived page), two hulls from armored personnel carriers, with one on top of the other (archived page).

Near these object is the a burnt-up T-72B3:

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This survey has come to its end. It is now evident that the armored group of the 6th Tank Brigade was far from the only Russian army unit that has fought against Ukrainians near Ilovaysk. However, judging by the evidence of their presence in the Donbass, the tank brigade from Mulino was certainly among the leaders of the participating Russian groups in the Battle of Ilovaysk.

Askai707

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322 Comments

  1. Randy Dread

    i made no racist statements about Italians, merely some proven observations about their performance in war.

    my statement that i wouldnt say somone is a fascist unless they are making it very obvious does not mean that there could not still be fascists who do not make it obvious.

    it only means i would not carelessly accuse people.

    Reply
      • Randy Dread

        did i say you were? maybe i did.

        i should not have done, of course, without evidence.

        but you did express pride in your familiy’s history of fascism. so what am i supposed to think?

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    • Mad Dog

      I see, and what does this have to do with the topic at hand. Also, FYI, the Itais fought pretty well in WWI, but many surely did not have their heart in fighting a fascist war in WWII. Why should they have? And of course one of the reasons Russkies fought so bravely (?) is because the NKVD and political officers were at their back threatening and even carrying out summary executions on the battlefield.

      Reply
  2. Randy Dread

    “Andrea – October 4th, 2015
    Better you open your history book, cause fascism is FAR different from racism…”

    fascism doesn’t involve racism?

    Reply
    • Andrea

      Being racist doesn’t mean being fascist !

      Racial laws were one of the last things made by mussolini…after h allied with the idiot (hitler)

      Reply
    • Mad Dog

      Fascism is generally totalitarianism coupled with extreme nationalism, with no real qualms about using force to achieve their goals. It does not necessarily include racism, though it often does.

      Reply
  3. Randy Dread

    Andrea – October 4th, 2015 wrote:
    And if you want an 21th century example of a totalitarism masked behind democracy the best example would be Russia and your dear Putin:

    Putin is a long way away.

    Fascists within the EU who can freely travel to my country are much more of a concern for me.

    Reply
    • Andrea

      – Is there freedoom of speech? NO
      – Are oligarchs+ politics a “clean” society? NO
      – Those strange deaths of political opposers?
      – Unstopped power for many years
      – Wars against neigbhors conducted in strange ways (abhazia, ukraine, ossetia)
      – Lack of political alternatives
      – Lot of things kept under secret/prohibited to speak about
      – Censoreship / total mass-media control
      – Ban of foreign organizations
      – Demontrations are prohibited (except those sayn putin is great;()
      – Terrible condition of the lower society

      If 1+1=2 Then russia is on its way to become (if is not) a great totalitarism…

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        • boggled

          You could add to that the number of journalists murdered for investigating the Kremlin while Uncle vova was President or PM.
          And the fact he creates himself as a false idol in many people’s eyes replacing or putting himself next to God and demanding servitude to him.
          https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnXKXXnCMAE98T9.jpg

          Fake election results, just like the referendum in Crimea and vova’s 2012.
          His nationwide call to announce that Ukraine is not a nation.
          The fact he has over half the world’s skinheads living in his country.
          etc.

          8 million did join the Nazi party of the 80 million population of Germany.
          That is not tiddlywinks types of numbers.
          Just because they did not chose to pick a party,does not mean they did not support Hitler with blind brainwashed loyalty.
          What did it matter to name yourself as a party member? There were no other parties, all were banned but the Nazi Party.
          So regardless of being officially one or not, you were technically a member of the Nazi party or in support of them.

          Fare thee well

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          • boggled

            Russia is not a nation, it is just a gas station run by organized criminals who pretend not to be bound by any international law that not many people want the headaches of dealing with.

            It may take a century of population reduction to reduce it to nothing, but at a million people a year fleeing it for the past five years and the way it is acting now, that number will increase and who will be left?
            just criminals.
            Criminals do not make a nation.

            Fare thee well

      • Randy Dread

        post contains numerous inaccuracies, for example anti Putin protests are not prohibited and in fact do take place.

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        • Andrea

          “Numerous inaccuracies”

          Please DEMONSTRATE i presented 11 points

          Show us some pictures of an anti Putin protest that can be trusted as a real rally and not those fake ones after which protsters get paid…
          …your answer will be: “no protests cause Putin is great and nobody is against him XD

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          • Randy Dread

            whyy dont you do some research, there have been a number of anti Putin protests in Moscow.

          • Andrea

            Can’t find one….please link me one…thanks

            And you agree on the other 10 points i wrote? 😉

            – Is there freedoom of speech? NO
            – Are oligarchs+ politics a “clean” society? NO
            – Those strange deaths of political opposers?
            – Unstopped power for many years
            – Wars against neigbhors conducted in strange ways (abhazia, ukraine, ossetia)
            – Lack of political alternatives
            – Lot of things kept under secret/prohibited to speak about
            – Censoreship / total mass-media control
            – Ban of foreign organizations
            —–> Demontrations are prohibited (except those sayn putin is great;() <—-
            – Terrible condition of the lower society

            If 1+1=2 Then russia is on its way to become (if is not) a great totalitarism…

  4. Randy Dread

    Andrea – October 4th, 2015
    And i said you too that in italy (as in germany with nazism) if u were not subscriber to the fascist party you were hanging with a rope around your neck…if you were lucky…

    Utter rubbish. The majority of Germans did not join the Nazi party.

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    • boggled

      Even back in August 2014 Zakharchenko – claimed in August 2014 that there are around 3,000 to 4,000 Russian volunteers fighting for the militia, which includes current (CURRENT) and many retired Russian Army servicemen.

      According to these articles –
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Armed_Forces_of_Novorossiya
      and
      http://tass.ru/en/world/747005

      Of course they are only on their three month vacation from the military to fight in a war that their nation has laws against current service men from doing.

      Fare thee well

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      • boggled

        because Russia has laws against active service members becoming mercenaries while on ‘vacation’.
        Enforcement is not being done.
        To cancel or ignore that law goes alllll the way to the heart of the Kremlin.

        Fare thee well

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        • Mad Dog

          Boggled, I loved that Gas Station quip. Very clever and oh so true. Funny thing is, Putin is also the creator of home grown terrorists. His actions against the Chechnyans are absolutely unforgivable, especially since he continues to raise that issue a s a sign he is tough on terrorists. All Chechnyans wanted in the beginning was a fair shake after the brutality they suffered under Stalin, they wanted their homes and lives back on track, they wanted to live peacefully but with honor, something taken away from them by Papa Joe and denied to them in no uncertain terms (Scuds on the populace please!) by Vova. This is the guy Randy works for, someone how probably has a Stalin Bobble head on the dashboard.

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          • Randy Dread

            you could easily have described Britain as a gas station during the glory days of the North Sea oil boom.

            like Russia, most advanced car factories etc here are foreign owned.

        • Randy Dread

          in that case if active service members are to be deployed they can just go offically as regular troops.

          I don’t see the issue here. Deployment in Syria is enteirely legal.

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          • Andrea

            No problem at all…russia can deploy 1000000 soldiers in siria if they want…but later don’t tell the world they are volunteers….

            You know…in a civilized war if you speak openly and without hidinh military moves there is NO problem at all 😉

          • boggled

            Randy then why in Syria are they painting over identifying markers on their planes and tanks and artillery?

            Fare thee well

          • boggled

            Why did they fly in their jets inside cargo aircraft, ships and hiding in the shadow of big cargo aircraft?
            Who they hiding from?

            Fare thee well

          • Mad Dog

            Hahahahaha Randy, another zinger! However, it seems the GDP of the UK ranks either 5th or 6th depending on the list and that of the Soviet Union…ooops, RF ranks either 10th or 9th, most of that consisting of oil, gas and weapons. Cars are not the only thing make in the UK, but being foreign owned is not a real problem if UK workers are being used for production. The only automobile that had any chance of foreign sales was the Lada, a bastardized version of a Fiat built in a Fiat built factory. So, please give me an idea of some of the goods with the RF label people seek to purchase. Fashion? Music? Food? Beverages? (even Russian vodka sucks). Trade with the RF is pretty limited and that is one reason Putin wants his client states….great markets for shoddy weapons.

          • boggled

            Mad Dog, I agree with you.
            But can’t you give them a little credit?
            Their top International media suppliers RT and Sputnik profits and credibility are right up their with, hmmmm.
            hm
            hmmm.
            National Enquirer?
            Hustler?

            And international viewers numbers must be up their with those of the Bowling Channel (no offense bowlers, I love bowling but watching it? nahhh)

            Fare thee well

  5. Randy Dread

    so your claim is they are trying to hide the fact that russian planes are conducting bombing raids by painting over markers?

    then putting videos of the bombing on the internet?

    do you ever think things through or are is brain a mess of fox news and american chemical additives and prescription drigs?

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    • boggled

      Randy, many of the Russians from the Caucuses and other regions of Russia are in Syria fighting for ISIL.
      Russia does not want to be seen bombing those or it will have a civil war on its hands.
      It only wants to be seen to Russia as supporting ASSad, his ally and buddy in corruption.

      If Ramzan Akhmadovich Kadyrov finds out exactly what vova is doing, he will not go fight there and it will be Chechnya War 3.
      And that one Moscow might not win.
      No one will come to his aid.

      He also faces a backlash from moderate Syrians and Turkey and Iran if he messes up.
      And he has been doing a lot of that.
      He could be facing a large refugee problem when they begin bombings in various populated areas of Russia and make Moscow look like Grozny or various areas of Georgia on that war with a lot of propaganda behind it as well.

      The problem he faces with radical Islamism is they know how to use propaganda as good or better than Kremlin does.
      And they have their followers.
      And they have their sleeper cells.
      And they have a bone to pick with Moscow.
      It could become a major cluster bomb of a situation.
      And with FSB establishing ISIL, but now closing its borders to keep them from returning, those that are inside Russia may just cause a few distractions of their own.
      They want to blame certain targets on ASSad and keep those groups down South and the ones at home happy, hence hide and erase identification marks if there is a screw up.
      Those that are going to make the home groups happy, they will be posting online.
      With the killing of civilians, he is taking a big risk and with the way Muslims talk, the facts they want to spread will get out and overcome Moscow sponsored media.

      Do you think the Muslims of Chechnya watch RT?
      Nope, they go to other media sources.
      RT is just for idiot Muscovites and St Petersburg brainwashed idiots that have never been outside Russia and never learned another language or listened to a factual media source.
      Not for Muslims, it is for the ROC brainwashed dumdums and brainwashed atheists.
      And for gullible Westerners like you.
      .
      Fare thee well

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    • Mad Dog

      Well, I guess for the same silly reasons they hid the insignia’s in the Crimea and the Ukraine. Perhaps you missed out on that one from watching RT News. BTW, what are the sources of your information in your country Britain (?????) ?

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  6. Andrea

    Randy randy … hysteria is an illness …

    Beyond any statement there is a thought … if you think too before shouting a stupid answer…
    Don’t stop at the mere meaning of words … i know that from a russian fan it can be hard … but u’ll understand things u’ve never seen before 😉

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  7. Mr Fox

    I saw a paid Russian Troll (I think in the Guardian comments) banging on with ad hominem attacks against Bellingcat. No answer for all the correctly correlated pictures or overwhelming evidence, just your typical ignorant, cold war propaganda. “it’s all LIES!!!!!!” he said, thinking that if he capitalises it people will somehow believe it.
    The bit that really amused me was the next comment “The west is now relying solely on an untrained clerk with no military knowledge for their intelligence”
    Well…
    What that should say is that Bellingcat (and by extension the western media) are actually relying on the poor training and low intelligence of serving Russian soldiers;- you won’t get US or UK troops posting selfies in places they’re not supposed to be. Although, when are they places they’re not meant to be? Every war the west has engaged in for a long time their troops have been out in the open. They haven’t invaded a neighbor and lied about it. Or shot down a civilian jet and attempted to lie about it with faked photos and miss-dated satellite images. The Russian trolls scream how this is all some western trickery. Show us the photos the west has faked!? Show us *any* photos of western forces you claim so loudly are in Ukraine. Show us anything except forum trolls spreading lies, disinformation and “Russia stronk!” posts. The real crisis Russia is facing over their actions of the last few years is a complete loss of credibility in the eyes of the entire rest of the world.

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    • Mad Dog

      Really got to love it. But what it all means is Bellingcat is seen as a credible and therefore dangerous site. Typical Leninist tactics of discrediting are then brought into play. Very Soviet-a-mente!

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