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The OPCW Douma Leaks Part 3: We Need To Talk About A “False Flag” Attack

January 23, 2020

By Bellingcat Investigation Team

In its final report, the Fact Finding Mission (FFM) of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) stated that there are reasonable grounds to believe that on April 7, 2018, chlorine gas was used in an attack on the Syrian city of Douma. Despite that conclusion, claims the chemical attack in Douma were staged continue to circulate. These claims were further fueled by leaks from “Alex,” who claims to be an OPCW employee, and a leaked semi-independent engineering report authored outside the authority of the FFM. We have previously examined both Alex’s claims, and the engineering report in detail, and found significant problems with both. 

As discussed in Part 2, as well as basing his report on a major assumption, Ian Henderson’s engineering report lacked a huge amount of extremely relevant context. As such, in the following article we will include that required context and examine what it would mean for the cylinders to have been placed at the scene manually. Needless to say, by saying that these cylinders were more likely placed manually, the implication is that what happened in Douma was some form of “false flag” attack. 

It should be noted that the narrative the Russian and Syrian governments propose is simply that there was no chemical attack at all. This position was cemented during an Arria meeting of the UN Security Council. The Russian Federation and Syrian delegation claimed that this entire attack was staged and that there is no evidence of any chemical attack. 

No major actor believes a “false flag” was carried out using chlorine. Indeed, if chlorine had been used, even as a “false flag”, the FFM final report would still stand, as their mandate is only to establish if a chemical weapon has been used or not. We are therefore entertaining the theory that no chlorine gas was present at this location. 

The Context

It is first worth considering the overall context. During the evening of April 7, 2018, there was virtually non-stop shelling, incendiary attacks, and bombing in Douma.

To give an idea of how dire the situation was, the Douma pocket surrendered less than 24 hours after this chemical attack, bringing an end to fighting in this area. The bombardment was so intense that medical workers could not move through the city. Any potential plan that would have included placing these cylinders manually must have been carried out under this intense bombardment and chaos.

Extract of final FFM report

All the proposed activities we describe below must have taken place amidst this chaos of a small rebel pocket collapsing under attack from the Syrian government and its allies. 

The Victims

In order to create the scene observed in open source materials, the bodies of at least 34 people, including men, women and children, would have had to have been obtained — possibly via mass murder. The victims would have had to be killed in a way that left no obvious visible trauma. All these bodies would have had to be fresh to account for livor and rigor mortis. 

Either these people were killed in a way that produced a frothy discharge, or the froth was added later to bodies of people who were already dead. The Russian and Syrian presentation at the UN claimed that bodies were transported in from another location and that nobody in the building was affected by any gas. There are, of course, no images or videos showing any of these 34 bodies being unloaded from the cars they were allegedly transported in. No witnesses interviewed immediately after the attack by journalists or the OPCW reported bodies being transported into this location. 

Slide from UNSC presentation

Some believe that all these people were killed by “dust inhalation”. This narrative first appears to have been written about by Robert Fisk who, although he visited Douma, did not actually bother to find or visit the building where the attack happened. Instead he found a single doctor to interview, who claimed that the fatalities that night were as a result of “hypoxia, oxygen loss” and implies this was a result of a dust storm in the area. It should be noted that there has not previously been a scenario during this conflict where scores of people died in the same building from dust inhalation. Indeed it was not possible to find any example of large numbers of people dying in the same building from dust inhalation in such a manner.

Unlike the final FFM report, the first draft of the interim report splits the witness accounts into those interviewed in Damascus and those interviewed in “Country X”. It is notable that the claims of mass casualties and fatalities from dust inhalation (amongst other causes) appear to originate from the group interviewed in Damascus. Indeed some of the medical workers interviewed in Damascus mentioned not even being aware of any chemical attacks in Douma or Syria. To put it frankly, the idea that any medical worker in Syria is not aware of chemical attacks is naive; chemical attacks have been a continuous and high profile feature of the conflict in Syria. 

Chemical weapon attacks identified by the UN’s Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Syrian Arab Republic

The witness statements to the OPCW made in Damascus do not seem to fit either what we know about the Douma attack, nor about the conflict in general. Considering the exceptionally repressive nature of the Syrian government, this is not surprising.

Rather bizarrely, Syrian medical workers interviewed by the Russian Ministry of Defence shortly after the attack said “all those who had received their medical aid had ordinary injuries, fractures and fragmentation and gunshot wounds.” None of these medical workers mention any injuries or deaths related to dust inhalation. This directly contradicts what Fisk reported, and helps to illustrate the confused narratives proposed by those who do not believe a chemical attack took place. 

When you consider the chaos of that night, and the other requirements we’ve explored below, the idea that all these people were killed by a mechanism other than chlorine inhalation and the building was prepped to make it look like a chlorine attack in the course of just a few hours pushes the boundaries of absurdity.

Witnesses

Then there is the question of the witnesses. The perpetrators of any “false flag” attack would have had to make sure that the loved ones and family of those who were murdered or had their bodies used did not speak out. This would have been an incredibly difficult proposition considering immediately after this event there was no way to control the population of Douma, where people immediately became internally displaced or else refugees.

You would have to ensure witnesses who spoke to the FFM described details that suggest a chemical attack, such as victims with respiratory issues, and the smell of chlorine in the vicinity of the attacks. Some would need to recount seeing a greenish cloud in the vicinity of Location 2. The enforcement of this narrative would have had to have happened after Douma fell, in the chaos of a mass expulsion of people from government-held parts of Syria. 

None of the witnesses, not even those interviewed in Damascus, appear to have mentioned anything about any group of people being detained and murdered. None mention any bodies being transported into Location 2. It seems extremely unlikely that this could have happened and not a single witness, in either Damascus or “Country X”, mentioned the capture and murder of scores of people, or the reuse of bodies. The only “witnesses” who claim to have seen the movement of bodies appeared in the Russian presentation to the UNSC almost two years later. 

Journalists who, unlike Robert Fisk, did bother to visit the building where most victims died noted an irritating smell. They even met and interviewed at least one first-hand witness who explained how the attack took place.

“I was sitting in the basement when it happened; the house was hit around seven in the evening. We ran out, and women and children ran into the house. They didn’t know the house had been hit from above and was filled with gas. The one who ran into the house died immediately. I ran out, feeling dizzy”

Once again it should be noted that this witness did not mention anything about anyone having been murdered or any bodies being moved into this building. He only states that people ran into the building. 

Finally, one would also have had to fabricate reports of two helicopters being in the air above Douma during the timeframe in which this chemical attack happened. 

Graphic from the New York Times Visual Investigations Team investigation into Douma

The Munitions

Shortly before the victims were placed and first responders and media arrived, the cylinders would have to have been placed in position. Obtaining and modifying these cylinders to the required standard would have been a difficult task. To our knowledge, this kind of extremely distinctive chlorine cylinder with an external framework does not appear to have been used in the East Ghouta, of which Douma is part, prior to 2018. 

The only reported attacks that these munitions may have been sourced from was a chemical attack on February 25, 2018, in which helicopters were reported to have been involved, and an attack in March 2018. Other reported chemical attacks in East Ghouta that Bellingcat is aware of used a different method of delivery, specifically an IRAM.

Comparison of an IRAM (left), primarily seen around Damascus, with a modified chlorine cylinder (right), which does not previously appear to have been reported in Damascus before 2018

If these cylinders and their framework were not obtained from an earlier attack, there are still two further options: they could have been smuggled in after other attacks in Syria, or they could have been manufactured from an unused chlorine cylinder, which is used to purify water in Syria. If they were manufactured, one must admire the skill and attention to detail of the artisan: the cylinders are, in virtually all respects, identical to munitions used in multiple previous attacks in other parts of the country. The only difference from earlier munitions appears to be the design of the suspension lugs. These modified chlorine cylinders have been used in scores of other chlorine attacks in other parts of Syria, as identified by multiple OPCW FFM, JIM, and other independent investigations.

If cylinders from a previous attack were used, they must have already been deformed in a manner that was consistent with them falling from height onto the buildings at Location 2 and 4. If these cylinders were not pre-deformed, they would then have had to be damaged in a manner which was consistent with them falling several hundred meters. This is not simply a matter of adding a few dents: these cylinders were heavily deformed in a manner that would have been extremely difficult to achieve, if not impossible, using normal tools.

Damage to cylinder at Location 2 seen in final FFM report

Damage to cylinder at Location 4 seen in final FFM report

The idea of constructing a platform several hundred meters high in Douma and then dropping the cylinders off it is comedic — and defies any logic. This damage would have had to be consistent with impacts at both Location 2 and Location 4 in order to fool three independent teams of engineering experts commissioned for the final FFM report. The frame of the munition at Location 2 would have had to be stripped, deformed, and then mixed with the other debris.

One of the biggest problems with reusing a chlorine cylinder from a previous attack is that it would almost certainly already be heavily corroded after having come into contact with chlorine.

When chlorine gas meets moisture it reacts to form hydrochloric and hypochlorous acids, both of which are corrosive to metal. Corrosion on metal parts at Location 2 and 4 was noted by the FFM. This is most clear when examining the cylinder at Location 4. Immediately after the attack the cylinder and frame were clearly not corroded; however, by the time the inspectors tagged the cylinder on June 3, 2018, it was heavily corroded. This makes it extremely unlikely that this cylinders were reused from previous attacks: these cylinders would have displayed significant corrosion in earlier images. They do not. 

1: Still from video by Forensic Architecture, 2: Still from video by Forensic Architecture, 3: Image taken on 8th or 9th April, 4: image from Russian news report aired on 26th April, 5: image of cylinder in FFM final report, 6: image of cylinder in Final FFM report after tagging, indicating it was taken on the 3rd June 2018

Placing these cylinders would have been a more difficult task than it first appears. Similar cylinders weigh around 60-80 kg when empty, depending on capacity. This would have been difficult enough to transport up the stairs at Location 2. However, at Location 4 the mangled framework was present on the cylinder, making it an extremely bulky object to get up the stairs and through the door, apparently without leaving any obvious marks. Even the first hand witness who claims to have been in the building and who blames the rebels, states that these locations were “hit’ and nothing about anyone placing any cylinder. 

In short, there is no believable way these cylinders could have been obtained or manufactured so that they looked consistent with not only the damage, but also the progression of corrosion visible at the scene. 

The Craters

Two craters would have had to be created for the “false flag” scenario. The FFM identified that the craters present on the scene were consistent with the impact of the cylinders. The FFM also noted that the crater at Location 2 does not appear to have been created by an explosion due to the absence of primary and secondary fragmentation. Even Henderson noted that this lack of fragmentation was strange, although he still believed it may have been created by an explosion. Once again, the artisans who supposedly created these craters must have been incredibly skilled, as they were good enough to fool three independent analyses of the impacts.

Whoever placed these cylinders would also have needed almost superhuman foresight to damage the edge of the terrace wall. The damage to both the cylinder and the wall would, yet again, have had to be consistent with the cylinder having impacted the edge of the terrace wall first, followed by impacting the floor. Indeed, the damage would, once again, need to fool three independent analyses of the impact of this cylinder. Syrian media activists, who presumably must have been collaborating with the perpetrators, completely missed this vital detail in all their images and videos. This was first noticed due to Russian news reports from the site. 

Extract from final FFM report

The Chemistry

In the case of a “false flag” attack, samples, as well as the corrosion of the cylinders, and other metal fittings in the room, would also have had to be fabricated. Consistent and believable samples would have been extremely difficult to simulate. 

The compounds found by the FFM at Locations 2 and 4 that are indicative of chlorine cannot simply be dismissed as “trace” quantities, as we have already discussed. Trace quantities are exactly what would be expected in this situation — rather, it is the combination of different chemicals discovered that indicate the presence of chlorine gas. There is also the matter of other chemicals, such as inorganic chlorides (not mentioned by Alex), which were found far above trace levels. 

There is also the bornyl chloride and trichlorophenol found in coniferous wood samples, which are not naturally found in the environment. Bornyl chloride can be produced from the interaction of phosgene or cyanogen chloride (both also deadly gases) with coniferous wood. Trichlorophenol can be produced by the interaction of sodium hypochlorite with coniferous wood, the main component of chlorine-based bleach. However, chlorine gas interacts with wood to create both. 

Without knowing where the OPCW was going to check, the perpetrators would have had to go to extraordinary lengths to fake these samples. Whatever process they carried out would not only have had to produce results that are perfectly consistent with exposure to chlorine gas, but also affect samples from across the two locations, both inside and out. Essentially, it would have been extraordinarily difficult to believably fake a scene resulting in the samples identified by the OPCW. 

By far the most likely scenario to produce bornyl chloride, trichlorophenol and the multitude of other compounds was that chlorine gas was present in the environment. It should be noted this is a simplification of the full process and that a full discussion of bornyl chloride and trichlorophenol can be read on page 13 of the final FFM report. These findings are antithetical to the Russian and Syrian claim that there was no chemical attack at all. Even if there had been a “false flag” attack using chlorine gas, the FFM findings would still stand, as chlorine would still have been used as a chemical weapon. 

Auto-Refrigeration

Whoever staged such a “false flag” would also have had to have known and solved the problem of auto-refrigeration. In short, when canisters of chlorine discharge, they get very cold: cold enough to freeze water. This results in the container accumulating a of frost on the external part of the cylinder. 

Example of auto-refrigeration on a chlorine munition, courtesy of Al Jazeera

The cylinder at Location 2 appears in a single (extremely graphic) video on the night of April 7, and the bright white appearance of the cylinder indicates it has undergone this process and that it is covered in frost.

Stills of cylinder immediately after attack (Left) and at a later date (Right). The image on the left has been brightened to show details more clearly. 

This could be done by either actually discharging a tank of chlorine, in which case there was a chlorine attack, or by somehow making the tank appear as if it had undergone this process, although how this could be achieved is not clear, especially as the effect would need to disappear within a few hours. The perpetrators would have had to go through the effort of faking this process, only for it to be caught by a few frames of a single video. 

Conclusion

Currently, the Russian and Syrian governments and Alex all believe that chlorine was not used as a weapon, despite the large amount of evidence indicating chlorine was in fact present at these locations.

A “false flag” attack would have been extremely complex to plan and execute, relying either on the murder of multiple people (which not a single witness mentioned), or the discovery of an unprecedented number of people who had died from “dust inhalation”. These bodies would then have had to be transported to the building and unloaded. Unloading these bodies would have had to have happened without anyone taking any pictures or video. Indeed none of the apparent witnesses to this act presented by Russia at the UNSC on January 20, 2020, appear to have been interviewed by any journalist from any news organisation, or indeed any international organisation such as the OPCW, after the attack. This plan would have had to be executed during a period of incredibly heavy shelling, as the frontlines of this tiny rebel-held pocket collapsed. 

The fakery, from the manufacturing of the cylinders to the chemical samples, would have had to be carried out to an incredibly high standard, indeed high enough that it could fool not only the FFM, but also multiple witnesses at the site of the attack. The craters and cylinder would have had to be perfectly consistent with two cylinders falling from height and impacting the roofs in order to fool the three independent analyses carried out by the FFM. 

Or, on the evening of April 7, 2018, in an attack that is entirely consistent with scores of other attacks that have been recorded in Syria, one or more helicopters dropped two chlorine cylinders. These cylinders were modified to make them more effective air-dropped weapons, in a way that closely matched multiple other chlorine attacks. One landed on a building and crashed through the roof. The other hit a roof but did not fully penetrate it, discharging its contents of chlorine into the house beneath, killing dozens of men, women and children.

 

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179 Comments

  1. oui oui

    in the first page of comments here is a comment saying to some rotten brains that they are proud perverts in perversion
    you could think this comment a provocation , it was not for that but it can be seen like that now
    at the base we are matter organised in living beings reaching the conscious to be , that’s what is said perverted here , and rotten
    read this comment , what it says , where this leads , the ideas , it’s just a mirror not so much exagerated
    but the interest is not in this comment , it’s in all what you can think reaction to this that has been developed quietly since , showing what some became , what they do and how . not a mirror this time , a selfie

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    • Jeroen

      Those Syrian military who thought, planned and organised dropping chlorine cylinders on Syrian towns could certainly called being “perverted”, when not “rotten”, I do agree on that one.

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      • Amused

        Get a grip and publish something more exciting – unless your bosses have stated that winter is dedicated to Syria. This fight is lost, try to fight from your favorite topic 😉

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        • Jeroen

          Justice does count to the Syrian people.
          Like Justice does count for the families of the airplane victims that were shot out of the sky by a Buk missile from 53rd zenit airdefense brigade from Kursk.
          One more month.

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          • Gerhard

            Assad has basically already won..so what do the Russians care about spinning this minutiae any longer?

            — Yes, Assad dropped chlorine cylinders on his own people

            — Yes, the Russians helped cover it up

            — Yes, the Russians have helped secure and consolidate Assad’s power in Syria after the vacuum left by US forces

            — The civil war is essentially lost for the West, and Russia retains one out of maybe three allies it has in the world

            — Russia will have protected its asset once Trump is exonerated in the Senate

            — Russia has won each of these neo-Cold War battles except maybe Iran..

            — Russia continues to wage proxy wars with its mercenaries in Africa

            So take a break, trolls, and go live it up at the discotheque while the dark side is winning! Just admit Assad gassed a bunch of people with the help of the Russians, and he won!

          • RussianTroll

            Gerhard, just look at a map. It is clear that Americans and Saudi won the war. Trump said it clearly: he’s got the oil. Assad lost all his revenues (north and east) and now has to bear all the costs (cities and a desperate population in the west and south, with no industry or production or resources whatsoever).

            There never was anything in Syria worth fighting for, except oil. You are writing about the “vacuum left by US forces”. What are you talking about? US soldiers are in Syria to stay, exactly like they are in Iraq and other oil rich places in the region. They already stopped Russians from coming too close to the oil wells, risking an armed confrontation. The message US soldiers sent could not be clearer. The only thing Americans lost in Syria are contracts for reconstruction of infrastructure and a shorter export route of Iraqi oil, via Syria. The main US strategic goal of preventing Syria (a Shia state) to supply energy to Turkey directly has been achieved, and Russia cannot do anything about it, except making the export of Iraqi oil, drilled by Americans, a bit harder.

            But I agree with you on one point: now that Trump himself made so crystal clear why Americans started and supported the war in Syria, perhaps all discussions about OPCW, who supported jihadists, who used chemical weapons and so on are pointless.

          • Servus

            Russsian Troll,
            are you allowed to read newspapers?
            Syrian has now contracts with Russia (exclusive and cheap, it’s a way to pay for the military assistance):

            https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-oil-russia/syria-hands-oil-exploration-contracts-to-two-russian-firms-idUSKBN1YL0VK

            The military support for Syria is a business, this is a new Russia, the army will protect the contract terms.

            Syria is not a Shia state, never was, Wikipedia could help.

            What you say about OPCW is a typical “non sequitur” , a favourite manipulation by these not too smart trolls.

          • Amused

            RE Jeroen
            Don’t pretend to be a great humanitarian and such a sensitive man who just can`t sleep at night because of attack in Douma . This is one of a thousand inhumane attacks on Syrian civilians . Over 500,000 people have been killed since 2011 by “traditional” bombing and artilery fire.

            “Justice does count to the Syrian people” – yes but the most important thing for them is food, a roof over their heads, electricity and such trivia.

            I don’t want to be mean or too cynical but I think that Your main problem is that Russia is currently winning in the Middle East and it hurts you a lot.
            This is against your beliefs and agenda. Sometimes it happens.

          • Jeroen

            Indeed these things and items do mean a lot for the people in Syria, food, roofs, work, education, liberty of religion, freedom, electricity, schools, mosques, bakeries and hospitals.
            And as it seems there might have been a deliberate strategy by the Syrian governement to make live unlivable in certain opposition held area’s and towns it is of most importance to document such. And bombing of legal and illegal targets too, be those bombing mission be flown by French, Russian, Syrian, Turkish, UK or USA aircraft, these things matter and people do care!

          • Servus

            re: M , Mediocrity & Amused
            “Russia is currently winning in the Middle East”

            Which Russia?
            Every Russian “victory” like invading Crimea is accompanied with a drop in Russian living standards, shorten expected life expectancy and less public services like transportation or hospital beds. Not to mention Gruz200 (steel coffins) with dead soldiers’ bodies, last year there was even 200 coming in one go when Gazprom tried to capture a Kurdish refinery.

            But if your Russia is the oil or Gazprom kleptocracy so yes they can only win, it’s a beautiful business, all costs are paid by the Russian State while the potential gains will stay in bank accounts in Cyprus, Virgin Islands etc, before being recycled with the help of Agent Orange’s (Trump) obedient judiciary or British politicians on the payroll.

          • Amused

            Re Minion also known as Servant aka grumpy Bulgarian – I missed your paranoid gibberish. You can always cheer me up during my coffee break 🙂

  2. RussianTroll

    You are right Servus, my mistake about Shia. Even though Shia is a substantial minority in Syria, I should have written that Syria was under Assad’s Alawite rule before the war started. My main argument about the clash between Alawites and Saudi sponsored radicals still stands of course.

    As for the oil contracts, don’t make me laugh. Given your past comments on this site, I am surprised that you link some bullshit article straight out of Russian propaganda. What you linked is an obvious Syrian and Russian marketing announcement, and SANA is cited there as the source of these fake “news”. Iran also has “contracts” with Russia and China. And what? It is literally only a piece of paper. They (Stria, Iran) have no access to banks or equipment, cannot use dollars, every company that makes business with them has its accounts closed worldwide. True, they can smuggle some oil here and there, make a couple of (not too deep) holes in the sand, but to put it simply, Syria is out of the game in the energy sector exactly like Iran. No sane company will risk their tankers being seized because of a discount in the oil that they could (perhaps, and only after rebuilding the terminals with foreign help and years of work) load in Syria. And we are not even talking about technology, support, maintenance, and all the other parts of the upstream industry. If downstream ever existed in Syria, for sure now it is dead. If you really believe that Syria will become a player in the energy industry thanks to a partnership with Russia, I have a nice bridge to sell you.

    As for the general picture, one could say that the part of Syria under Assad is now like a giant Palestine. A lot of distressed people with no job, widespread religious fanatism fueled by desperation, zero resources, encircled by adversaries, under global sanctions, completely depending on foreign aid even for food. This is a victory for Americans and Saudi, consolidating their egemony and giving them the possibility of supporting local rebellions for years, perhaps decades to come (as Saudi do with Hamas). True, it is the same victory they had with Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan, a victory of interdiction if you prefer. But taking out an adversary from competition, preventing China from diversifying their supply is a major global victory, however you look at it.

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    • Servus

      “My main argument about the clash between Alawites and Saudi sponsored radicals still stands of course.”

      Really ? These “radicals” if captured in KSA, are tried, sentence for long prison terms or executed. You missed few episodes here.
      And you should only say nice things about Saudi, they might be buying some Russian anti-aircraft technologies like S-400.
      In recent years, Russian anti aircraft technology has shot down wto passengers planes and one Russian military transport Antonob, so we should wish Saudi good luck.

      “Fake news” about the officially signed contract, ratified by Syrian parliament ?
      This press release talks about a real event, maybe you should look up “fake news” in Wikipedia. The risks associated with this project that you have listed are real, but it’s a long term Gazprom kleptocracy investment, and it’s not the first time that made a bad investment…anyway all costs will be carried by the Russian state while potential gains will end up in kleptocracies nebulous financial cloud.

      Really Russian, talking with somebody that does not know basic facts of his region is pointless, you should complain that your “cheat sheets” are not being up to date.

      You empathy with Syrian civilians sounds false and cynical, Russian commit atrocious war crimes in Syria, millions of Russians has seen video showing Russian Special Troops torturing a man, cutting of his head and then hanging and burning his body. How about systematic bombardment of rebels’ hospitals (millions have seen cockpit videos).

      Sorry, these are no longer war crimes, Putin retracted RF signature of the Geneva Convention. Reminds me of something… Stalin did not ratify 1929 Geneva Convention with a disastrous effect on Russian POWs (of 3 million captured, 1 million survived the German camps, but not the subsequent meeting with liberators from NKWD).

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      • RussianTroll

        “officially signed contract, ratified by Syrian parliament” hahahahaha if its signed by the Syrian parliament it must be certainly true, right? ROFL

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          • RussianTroll

            good news is, there is a simple solution for you… stop making a fool of yourself by citing propaganda garbage from SANA and “officially signed contracts by the Syrian parliament”… you will feel better

          • Servus

            Dear ванька-встанька,

            I read about Russian – Syrian oil and gas contract in a respectable Russian newspaper Kommersant, quoting announcement by mr Dimitry Peskov, kremlin’s spokesman that announced it.
            Would you accuse mr Peskov of bing a lier. propagandist, fake news perpetrator and talking « garbage »? Russia Today and Sputnik also covered this milestone in relations with Syria.

            Badmouthing Russian authorities by Russian Olgano trolls is a punishable offense at IRA, expect to be fined.

          • RussianTroll

            LMAO… I immediately called bullshit on the article you linked, genius… and now look who is spreading this “officially signed contract” news as you called it… you must be proud of yourself and your acumen, surely…

          • Servus

            Dear ванька-встанька,

            Who could predict that a simple fact, official signature of a Russian – Syrian agreement, could cause such a severe cognitive distress ?

          • RussianTroll

            you started linking an obvious propaganda article from SANA… what did you expect? Are you really surprised to find yourself linking the same “news” as Peskov and co? Uncomfortable position for you huh? I told you from the beginning, that those “news” about oil “contracts” you linked were bullshit… you did not listen to me and ended up on the wrong side of propaganda… sorry for you…

          • Servus

            Dear ванька-встанька,

            Keep it comings !

            I still need some material for my short essay « The decline of Russian Troll »

          • RussianTroll

            Looking forward!! just don’t forget of making a fool of yourself by citing SANA as the source of your “news” in the bibliography hahahahaha

  3. oui oui

    The director of the Jericho Hospital, Dr. Zakwan Tabaa, died as a result of wounds sustained by an air strike on the hospital a few days ago
    god bless the bombers . how works this delirium , did the blessing of the bombers change Assad in a little St Georges the same way it changed the White Helmets in a dragoon
    rotten brains

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  4. Jeroen

    Yes Servus you are right it seems Russians do not care much about Geneva Convention and Rules of conducting war, soms bad news from last saturday.
    “Today we have lost a service member. Senior female combat medic, sergeant Klavdia Volodymyrivna Sytnyk was killed when she came under fire by terrorist armed formations in the area of Novotoshkivske in Luhansk region. She was killed by a penetrating left-side chest wound as she was carrying medicine to a sick soldier,” the press service of the 93rd separate mechanized brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine named Kholodniy Yar wrote on Facebook on February 1.”

    120mm mortars are not allowed in the desescalation zone, near the frontline.

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    • M

      Sunshine, there are no Russian troops there, only green men, volunteers and miners armed with pickaxes 😉

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      • Servus

        4 of them were killed yesterday. official toll is 163 killed RF service men, does nog include Wagner group’s losses.

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        • Jeroen

          Is that not Syria, not Ukraine, were 4 FSB operators were killed? And official military losses at 116? In Ukraine much much more lost their lives, arms and legs.

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    • Jeroen

      Take a holiday in Yalta you seem to need it. You are bad informed. Even Putin admitted december 17th, 2015 that there were “people operating in the military sfeer in (eastern) Ukraine” and that those green men (in Crimea) were Russian soldiers without insigna. Russia is fighthing and fuelling a dirty war in Ukraine and every day its is continuing doing so will be prolonging a shamefull page in Russian history.
      So explain to me why so many of your countrymen forever rest in unnamed or numbered graves in Rostov na Donu region?
      Why don’t get an honourfull ceremony like Ukrainian killed soldiers do when their bodies arrive in their villages? Why is that?
      Is because you folks know what they do there is wrong.
      Why are all those Russki soldiers not allowed to openly show and carry all those medals they got for “going on holiday” killing Ukraine military?

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  5. Servus

    Dear ванька-встанька,

    I read about Russian – Syrian oil and gas contract in a respectable Russian newspaper Kommersant, quoting announcement by mr Dimitry Peskov, kremlin’s spokesman that announced it.
    Would you accuse mr Peskov of bing a lier. propagandist, fake news perpetrator and talking « garbage »? Russia Today and Sputnik also covered this milestone in relations with Syria.

    Badmouthing Russian authorities by Russian Olgano trolls is a punishable offense at IRA, expect to be fined.

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    • Amused

      I thought you were talking about the situation in Lugansk in the winter of 2020 – not about the history of the conflict 😉
      Ps some time ago I learned from you about the trolls from OLGINO and now I see that you have converted this part of St. Petersburg to OLGANO 🙂 Not fun getting old Minion, you really need an editorial assistant.

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    • Amused

      I thought you were talking about the situation in Lugansk in the winter of 2020 – not about the history of the conflict 😉
      Ps some time ago I learned from you about the trolls from OLGINO and now I see that you have converted this part of St. Petersburg to OLGANO 🙂 Not fun getting old Minion, you really need an editorial assistant

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      • Servus

        Gotcha !

        As expected, you corrected your site’s name.
        Playing games with you is bit too simple but funny.

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        • Amused

          Minion 😉 since you called me that for the first time I have made a research. I wanted to know where I come from in your paranoid head.
          You hated me from the first comment, when innocently I asked about the destination of a certain globetrotter – Erevan or Geneva 🙂 🙂 :). Moritz grumby Bulgarian 😉

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  6. M

    Let’s be seriousfor a moment. If it’s your reasoning, your “logical” thinking – someone corrects a mistake in the name => must be insider, or at least related
    🙁 It’s sad if you if you similarly conclude from these secret documents on torrents or from those purchased from ladies from thefarmers market ( as an addition to zucchini and cauliflower 😉 )- unfortunately, BC articles are worth nothing.
    But let’s say that today you had a huge hangover or a huge pain in the ass

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  7. Jeroen

    If BC articles are worth nothing, why are so many worried about what BC people discover and uncover, why are so many even paid to write anti-BC bullshit on the internet, like for example some commentors and trolls here?
    It is not that difficult to recognize…

    And why speaking disrespectful about ladies buying cauliflower on the market?

    I remember a number of markets where old ladies became targets of “green men” firing all kind of mortars, artillery and (un)guided missiles.
    Like the Kyivsky market and “Щирий кум” supermarket on May 9th street in Mariupol in January 2015?
    With Grad and Urugan rockets brought into Ukraine by Russian (troop)s.

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    • M

      1. I never wrote anti-BC posts, I just asked questions, gave comments about the content or made fun of Minion.
      2. You are buying leaking data at flea and farmers markets at the Kiosk in Vienna
      🙂 sometimes you find something on the net on torrents – that’s what I heard from YOU
      3. “And why speaking disrespectful about ladies buying cauliflower on the market?”
      It was maybe “disrepectful” to Minion not about women who sell veggies.

      Are you pretending to be a fool now?

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  8. Jeroen

    Are you against fools launching mutiple rocket attacks on markets, like in Mariupol for example?

    Or just pretending to be some clown here?

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    • M

      Yes I am against fools launching rocket attacks on markets, like in Mariupol,

      The problem is in your head – you’ve in your brain the one thesis about me, whatever I write I will be an OLGINO troll 🙂

      Bring me some material so that I could laugh at you – e.g. the compelling and only valid method of identifying spies THE GAIT 😉 🙂

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  9. Jeroen

    Reading your first statement “I never wrote anti-BC posts, just…”

    Reading your previous posting “… – unfortunately, BC articles are worth nothing.”

    You just disqualified yourself here as a BC commentor, go somewhere else, you lost al credibility that was left…..bye

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    • M

      jerry
      read it again – and Servus’s comment to Amused – don’t pretend to be a moron – you’ve caught the context

      PS I will tell you dear readers in secret that Servus Jeroen Gerhard or Minion is one of the authors of this website

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      • Servus

        Masha,
        This is funny, since when do you talk about yourself in 3’ed person?
        « read it again – and Servus’s comment to Amused –« 
        You started answering as Amused but then continued as M.
        You have messed up your identities Masha, happens to angry trolls.

        You have earned yourself a solid reputation by defending, minimizing and normalizing a brutal murder in Berlin. So, please don’t complain, your reputation is of your own making.

        And reading BC poor journalism must be a torture, but trolling is a dirty job and somebody has to do it.

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        • M

          you do it all the time, you start as a Servus, answer as Jeroen or Gerhard
          (you should revive Gerhard for good) … I remember your argument about the projection of a home-grown psychologist.
          BTW
          what’s up with a cyclist with a Russian passport – has he already sold all the handlers and is he learning French 🙂

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          • Servus

            Masha,

            You could be right , every time I call Gerhard my phone rings and Jeroen answers.

            Does that happen when you call M? If you are not aware of it , its serious (F44.81).

          • oui oui

            then Jeroen says hello , M speaking , if you want to speak to Masha say hello Masha , if you want to speak to Amused say you are an idiot Amused

  10. SorryViennese

    Dear Bellingcat commentators .
    Where can I find the 3 Henderson-independent engineering reports, Bellingcat mentioned, at least at the Business Summary level, as the (Wiki-)leaked FFM report of Henderson is?
    Can you provide me with a link to that 3?

    KR, SV

    P.S. I posted the question above a week ago (30.Jan.20) on the commentary page of the previous rebut of Bellingcat on Hendersons collected evidence. (“…we have to speak about Henderson”)
    …. but now answer until today, so I repeat the question here..

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    • SorryViennese

      Interesting: No answer, no evidence provided by Bellingcat fans up to now.

      … I have to conclude: No evidence available to counter Hendersons findings then.

      Third and last call: come forward, Bellingcat, show me your evidence

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