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Azerbaijan and Israel’s Aerospace Industry. A Worrying Concern for Armenia or Iran?

May 4, 2015

By Masis Ingilizian

The border of Nagorno Karabagh, one of the most militarized borders in Europe, attracts attention from think tanks, European organizations and major powers. The frontline between Armenia and Azerbaijan replicates WW1 style trenches and its distance between the two opposing trenches in certain sections are a mere 500 metres in distance.  Azerbaijan’s official rhetoric has reached the point of declaration of war on a number of occasions, and policies set by these institutions fail to take into account this threat. Azerbaijan’s rapid militarization threatens regional stability, but has largely escaped the attention of the major powers while its major procurements are catapulting its military to frightening levels.

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The above photo depicts opposing trench systems on the frontline, with the yellow place mark representing the middle distance between the two trenches. The white arrow represents the Armenian side and the red arrow representing the Azerbaijani side. This distance between the two trenches approximately 500 metres apart. (Photo Courtesy Google Earth)

Israel’s aerospace industry, one the world’s leading suppliers in military technology, has increasingly cooperated in the sphere of arms sales with Azerbaijan. The game of geopolitics played by major powers dictates the constraints that regulate spheres of influence. This means moderating smaller nations such as Azerbaijan to keep strategic balance and a tight control over advances that might threaten stability. This tight control is always coupled with the strategic interests of major powers. The friendship between Israel and Azerbaijan has overstepped these constraints. Close observation will provide institutions with analysis on Azerbaijan’s rapid military advances.

Military hardware technology transfers from Israel to Azerbaijan have increased, and these military procurements threaten the delicate balance between Armenia and Azerbaijan previously maintained by the major powers. Bellingcat has closely followed many of the advances made by Azerbaijan in its military potential. Restraints on Azerbaijan’s procurements do exist and Russia’s reluctance to sell advanced S300s to Iran could be one factor that keeps Israel somewhat hesitant in its relationship with Azerbaijan. In spite of these restraints and the slow process in acquirement, advances in technology nevertheless continue to be made by Azerbaijan, with many of these from Israel’s Aerospace industry and Elbit systems.[1]

Armenia’s military advisors have been preoccupied with Azerbaijan’s UAV purchases from Israel. UAVs have captured world attention because of their capacity for air strikes and for transferring real time information. US strikes in Pakistan and the UAV’s ability to assist in ground operations for troops in Iraq have taken warfare to new levels. Many think tanks and institutions have been aware of Azerbaijan’s purchases of Israeli made unmanned vehicles. Bellingcat, who has been tracking developments in Azerbaijan’s rise in military capacity, has kept a close eye on purchases on UAV’s as well as advances in SIGINT and ELINT systems.

SIGINT Signal intelligence and ELINT Electronic intelligence in particular suites in electronic warfare capabilities are a major concern for Armenia. Bellingcat has been aware of advances in basic jammers available in the Azerbaijani inventory, as well pursuits in electronic warfare research programs, procurements and hiring of technicians in the field. Upgrades such as this will inevitably take Azerbaijan into the next level of warfare, real time; live tactical, information quality and most of all jamming technology.

Israel’s advances in its electronic warfare technology are the most advanced and battle proven in the world. Their air defence suppression techniques, in which Israel’s exploitation of Russian air defence systems, have in past conflicts totally jammed Russian surface to air missile systems.[2] In 2007 the Israeli jet strikes on a suspected nuclear facility in Syria proved Israeli dominance over the sky. Various reports mention Israeli jets entering Syrian air space, according to IMINT analysis, Israeli jets circumvented air space to avoid air defence systems nonetheless Syrian targets where hit[3]. These battles and other subsequent capture of technology have provided Israel with fine technology to manipulate. S300PMU-2, the most advanced air defence systems in the world stationed in Baku, can pose a technological threat to Armenia if Israeli scientists help Azerbaijani counterparts design electronic counter measures. Russia’s sale of the S300PMU2 definitely accounted for this risk, selling downgraded technology to Azerbaijan or stationing its own personnel with Azerbaijani’s on the system.[4]

Currently, Azerbaijan lacks technology such as delivery platforms and SIGINT and ELINT systems, precluding it from attempting high-end electronic warfare. Even without the S300PMU-2 being manipulated for technology, basic advances in electronic warfare with Azerbaijan’s military could amount to jamming Armenian air defence systems. Certain purchases from the Israeli Aerospace Industry, such as the Green Pine Air Defence Radar, and further interest in the area of electronic warfare will lead to advances.

To Armenia’s detriment, no current imagery to date has found any defensive ground based jammers in the country. What is interesting is that Russia’s technology also has had major advances in electronic warfare, which raises the question as to why Armenia has been reluctant to purchase such equipment from Russia. Russia’s shift in strategic interests and further deteriorating relations between Armenia and Russia, which has seen ongoing problems, could amount to the increase in technology transfers between Israel and Azerbaijan.   Nonetheless Azerbaijan’s basic upgrade packages to date are still concerning and can ultimately lead to the next level of procurements and technology base.

Upgrades for SU-25 from Israel’s Elbit systems provide various technological advances on old Soviet jets with jamming pods, evasive manoeuvre techniques against air defence missiles and upgraded missile delivery systems with glass cockpit helmets, all optimized specifically for the SU-25, making it a sound ground attack plane[5]. Azerbaijan’s options in SU-25 upgrades remain open; Georgia has offered a joint production with Azerbaijan for the SU-25 at the Tbilisi Aerospace manufacturing plant with Azerbaijan offering to fund the project, which will inevitably entail Israeli assistance. Russia’s Ulan-Ude aviation plant has rejected offers of upgrades for unknown reasons.[6] Other options include direct upgrades from Israel’s Elbit systems for the fleet of SU-25s. Geo-politics dictates military sales, and while Azerbaijan’s appetite for SU-25 upgrades has encountered problems due to various factors, these available options can still provide the required upgrades needed.[7]

Recent confirmed developments in Azerbaijan point to the building of new shipbuilding facilities – the first time a Caucasus nation has developed its own military industry on this scale since the fall of the Soviet Union. Israeli assistance has guided Azerbaijan in its efforts towards an indigenously developed ship factory that is able to rebuild their border patrol ships and conduct upgrades.[8]Israeli “Spike” anti-tank missile systems have been test fired off the Azerbaijan coast on the Shaldag MK patrol boats. These are a fourth generation missile made in Israel – one of the most advanced fire-and-forget systems that leave Armenian anti-tank missile systems a generation behind. These systems have only been showcased on the coast and not yet spotted on the frontline. Bellingcat will keep an eye on available imagery close to the frontline. This new weapon system is a major concern for Armenia[9], and fourth generation equipment in Azerbaijan’s inventory is a wakeup call for the Armenian military. Azerbaijan’s advances have been prompt and the acquisition of relevant technology is moving at a decent pace. Taking into consideration Armenia’s passivity in regard to technological advances, Azerbaijan has closed the gap and has far exceeded Armenia’s military strength.

Picture President IIham Aliyev and the new revamped state boarder service coast guard ships at the ship building facility. Note ship on dry dock platform. (Spike missile top right centre).

Picture President IIham Aliyev and the new revamped state boarder service coast guard ships at the ship building facility. Note ship on dry dock platform. (Spike missile top right centre).

The technology transfers to Azerbaijan not only give Israel a foothold in the region, but can also play a major role in any attack on Iran. At this time, analysts are looking for basic ground based jamming systems in available imagery in Azerbaijan and Bellingcat is keeping an eye on these developments as well. Ground based jammers will provide Israel’s air force with open air space, jamming Iranian air defence systems and taking them out with anti-radiation missiles. These systems can ultimately be used against Armenia, as a two pronged policy by Azerbaijan protecting itself against Iran and developing technology from Israel’s defence firms in preparation for the next conflict against Armenia.

Other systems, such as target locating and fire control systems are the next step in Azerbaijan’s military requirements. These systems, if combined with Azerbaijan’s current air defence systems – one of the most advanced in the world – could minimize the retaliatory strategy of Iran’s attack against Azerbaijan. Iran’s option of an attack on the oil fields of Baku in retaliation against a strike from the West is still an option, but becoming increasingly difficult due to Azerbaijan’s advances in technology. Azerbaijan’s advances could also prevent major powers from intervening in the next conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan – a possible scenario considering NATO’s involvement in the Yugoslav wars.

Azerbaijan’s wish list is not far from reality and Israel’s strategy against Iran is not far behind the rise of Azerbaijan’s military, with both countries playing the game for their own interests. Even without the Israeli air force being allowed access to air bases in Azerbaijan, Israel’s involvement in the Caucasus is a threat for both Armenia and Iran. Israel’s foothold in the region will provide Azerbaijan with the capacity to develop technology that can surpass Iran’s technological level in the coming future, which is Azerbaijan’s ultimately military goal. The latest round of military procurements has not only tilted the scales in favour of Azerbaijan, but has started a whole new arms race in the region. Armenia’s military leadership needs to reconsider its options, Iran needs a closer look at its foreign policy towards Azerbaijan and Europe needs to address an new age of technology in the Caucasus.

[1] Green Pine Radar on order. UAV have been also spotted confirming the latest round of purchases. http://defense-update.com/20120603_russia-southern-republics-opt-for-israeli-uavs.html#.VUMUzJOMYrc

[2] Israel jammed Egyptian Kub SAM systems during the Arab Israeli conflict. See Air Power Australia “Surface to Air missiles in past Conflict” Dr Carl Kopp http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-SAM-Effectiveness.html

[3] O’Connor, Sean (2010). “Syrian Strategic SAM Deployment”, 7th January, IMINT Analysis, http://geimint.blogspot.com.au/2007/09/syrian-sam-network.html.

[4] Russian personal have not been seen with Azerbaijani on S300 systems and leaks have reported that the S300PMU-2 are fully operational. Photo imagery http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?137251-Military-of-Azerbaijan/page127

[5] https://www.elbitsystems.com/elbitmain/area-in2.asp?parent=169&num=174&num2=174

[6] OSIMINT (2013). “Georgia offers Azerbaijan Joint production of SU-25”, 3rd May, http://osimint.com/2013/05/03/georgia-offers-azerbaijan-joint-production-of-su-25/.

[7] OSIMINT, op. cit. Russia’s pro Armenian stance could be a reason for Ulan-Ude aviation plant rejecting offers for upgrades.

[8] Dunai, Peter (2014). “Azerbaijan Inaugurates Shipbuilding facility”, 22nd July, http://www.janes.com/article/41108/azerbaijan-inaugurates-shipbuilding-facility.

[9] See Herschelman, Kerry 2014). “Azeri Coast guards revamp fleet with Israeli help”. IHS Jane’s 360, 28th August, http://www.janes.com/article/42534/azeri-coastguard-revamps-fleet-with-israeli-help. Test firing of Spike missiles is confirmed in imagery. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?137251-Military-of-Azerbaijan/page136

Masis Ingilizian

Masis Ingilizian is a researcher at the Australian Institute for Holocaust and Genocide Studies. He was previously a regular contributor for the publication IMINT Analysis edited by Sean O’Connor. His research focuses on the Caucasus, Iran and Russia, spanning the fields of strategic warfare, geopolitics and geostrategy. Masis tracks developments in the Nagorno-Karabagh conflict and provides ongoing insight into the geopolitics and growing tensions in the region, using imagery and photos for analysis. He also writes on the foreign policies of both Russia and the West.

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51 Comments

    • Masis

      Understand your thought process , though I took in consideration issues with designating regions based on geographical and geopolitical areas. And in this context the Caucasus region and the Nagorno Karabagh conflict falls under many banners of European organizations hence why Europe was used.

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  1. Aerosa

    Azerbaijan is doing right thing. Armenia is Russia’s vassal and Karabakh is Azerbaijani land. The word Karabakh means Black Garden in Azerbaijan

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    • Masis Ingilizian

      Azerbaijan has the upper hand in the negotiations for Nagorno Karabagh, and although we can never be certain of the process(I will write about Madrid principals soon) its comments like this which antagonize the process itself, and stop Armenian civil society and think tanks from supporting the return of the occupied districts. But they come from both sides… Technically for your information, you should read the Madrid principals and get an idea of what belongs to who.

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    • Hellscream

      Karabakh belongs too Armenia and the historic name is Artsakh which means Eagles Den. The word Azerbaijan is a Persian word and your lands today have historically belonged to Armenia and Iran so please don’t distort history we all know that turks have been uneducated and illiterate for majority of their existence. Many nations have come and gone… we have been here for 3,000 years we know our home very well don’t make send you into the Caspian sea this time or better yet send you back home to Mongolia.

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      • Aren Rostamian

        Azerbaijan didn’t exist until Stalin put them on the map as a state. Kharabakh, or in reality the true historical name of Artsakh, is Armenian and historical Armenian and majority populated always by Armenians.

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  2. simon

    1000 Thanks great nation of Israel for helping my country beautiful Azerbaycan

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    • Vartan hrandian

      As much as we are sure sun will come out tommorrow ,there are no futures for Israel and Azerbaijan , two new fabricated ,assembled so called countries.

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  3. Ari

    Let’s not forget that it is Azerbaijan’s ultimate goal to reunite with the three Iranian Azerbaijan provinces. Hence, tripling in territorial size and much more in population.

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    • Masis Ingilizian

      My thesis is on psychological components on Azerbaijan’s identity issues, Iranian Azerbaijan and Caucasus Azerbaijan as well as the psychological affects that the loss of war has brought upon the nation(both nations). More importantly my studies and research revolve around Azeri’s outside of the Caucasus. My research leads me to suggest that only 2 out of an approx 60 Azeri’s outside of the Caucasus support the Azerbaijani Karabagh issue. An approximate 10 out of 60 support Armenian claims to Karabagh, and the rest either oblivious to the current issue or don’t take sides. Majority of the people interviewed where Azeri’s in Armenia which could suggest there hesitance in supporting Azerbaijan though most felt stronger to their Iranian roots as opposed to there Turkic/Tatar roots or Tork as they are called in Iran. The study also suggests the passiveness of Armenian’s to Azeri’s in Armenia. This study was also conducted in Australia with many Iranian Azeri’s supporting Armenian claims and Armenia in terms of historical claims. This is not to say that Iranian Azerbaijanis don’t have elements of nationalism towards their brethren in Azerbaijan nor to say that there wasn’t Azerbaijani’s who supported Azerbaijan. And nor am I arguing in anyway, just researching a thesis.

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      • Aren Rostamian

        Thanks for the info Masis. And that is why I think Armenia won the initial war in Artsakh (Kharabagh to the Azeris). Because Armenians do feel a historic claim to that land. That has always been Armenian land with the exception of the time during the soviet rule. The land has been occupied majority by Armenians all throughout its history. Armenians fought harder to get that land over Azeri soldiers who really didn’t care much about that land. Over Russian soldiers who had high hopes of Azeri oil at the time and were fighting the Armenians! The Armenians fought off the Russians and Azeris to gain that Artshakh territory. That tells you a lot about the fight and willingness of the people of Armenia. Azeris generally care less about Artshakh. They are really angry about losing the war is what they are angry about. They want to claim Artsakh and their territories not because they want it, but because they want vengence form a losing war.

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  4. Raman

    Respect to Israel. Israel is a true ally of Azerbaijan, and they are on the side of the fairness. Armenians shall get out of the occupied Azerbaijani lands.
    Those Armenians continuing occupation of Azerbaijani lands are the devils and they are the ones to blame for the start of the next wave of wars and fighting. Armenians are stupid not to see how much they suffer and how much they cause the suffering to all people in Caucasus because of them. Without Armenians Russians would not be able to mingle with the prosperity of Caucasus, and the entire region would become peaceful. Armenians are occupying lands, but leaving even Armenia. So what the hell you need these lands if you leave even your own country to Russia. Peaceful solution is in the most interest of Armenians if they want to stay in the region forever.

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    • Aren Rostamian

      Peaceful solution is in the interest of both. Exxon and BP don’t want to see Azeri oil refineries go up in smoke from Armenian missles. That will be the end of Aliyev. He knows that, that’s why he doesn’t want to fight and pull the trigger, and just goes on Twitter and talks more talk.

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      • Raman

        Aren, another armenian fascist, you should read the article. We have the capability of blocking your whatever archaic missile system, and before you open your eyes, your archaic atomic station and the entire armenian fascism will be in a nuclear wasteland. Don’t forget.

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        • Aren

          Armenian fascism? What planet are you from, Azerbaijan? Armenians defeated Azerbaijan and Russia with a few machine guns and primitive weaponry. This time with Russia on our side we’ll drive you back to where you came from. East Asia. Russia is just looking for a reason to invade your oil rich lands. I guess you are about to give it to them. You think Israel is going to step to your aid? Haha. You have anything worse to call me than fascist? I’m ready. Give me your best.

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    • Warchief

      Idiot, look at what you’re saying.. All I heard from you is to get rid of Armenians and everything would be peaceful a typical Turk mindset to kill and commit genocides against Armenians again. You’re the problem here not Armenians, ever since you invaded Anatolia your kind has been killing and claiming our historic lands as your own. Armenians, Georgians and Greeks have lived peacefully for over 2,000 years until your kind came here and now you want to start another war. Behave or this time we won’t stop and send you swimming into the Caspian Sea. Artsakh will always belong to Armenia.

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    • Hary

      Israel is after 2 things.
      your oil money and Iran. Artsakh (azerbaijan) is Armenia go learn your history.

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      • Raman

        Hary you are stupid to believe in this fairy tale story. Karabakh is Azerbaijan and armenians devils who don’t want to live within Azerbaijan will be sent to hell. You will see that don’t hurry. Armenian fascism has no prospect in the region. Karabakh has historically been Turk and Azerbaijani. Even Russian and Western historians tell this. In the next war you will the power and might of Turks as your grandfather armenians felt in 1900s. Rest assured fascsist armenian.

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        • Aren

          Haha dude you are one sad and uneducated man. Wow I feel sorry for you and Your people. Mis-informed. Uneducated. You make Turks and Azeris look primitive. All you do is insult. Wow. Keep talking. I think the rest of the educated Turks are crying at this point reading your comments. Please. Please. Continue

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    • zeyniyev

      Thank you for telling the truth , as the Armenians have not understood that we never give our their lands.
      If would be better for them all.
      I am proud that the friendship and brotherhood between Azerbaijan and Israel have long exsiste . Today Armenia is a mono-ethnic country unlike Azerbaijan where life Jews, Christians, Kurds, Talysh and the more than 30,000 Armenians. Again thank you for defending the truth .

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      • Aren Rostamian

        The truth is that Azerbaijan is an oppressive state ruled by a dictator. Aliyev. Media is oppressed. People are scared into national rhetoric. Their hero is an axe murderer who killed an Armenian soldier during a friendly European managed exercise in the middle of the night during his sleep. He’s the hero of Azerbaijan. I think that tells you alot about the people of that country. I have no doubt there are great Azeri people as well. In fact I have a couple of good Azeri friends. But the country in the whole is under the control of Aliyev and his tight fisted rule. Until you start learning how to behave and act and rule a country like European west, you will always be seen as you are, which is a Mongol and staunchly territorial invading people.

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  5. Noric Dilanchian

    An excellent article on an extraordinary website. My comment expands on the historical and ongoing political context of arms sales in the region.

    1. Azerbaijan in recent years has used a substantial portion of its remaining oil revenue to massively boost its military hardware. Israel is one of its suppliers, Russia is another.

    2. As an arms seller, Israel’s logic is to generate revenue and to militarily encircle Iran with threats. This has been apace since the West supported Iraq to invade Iran and commence the Iran-Iraq War of 1980-1988. I’ve long regarded this as the first Gulf War, the other two came later. The result is that Afghanistan and Iraq are in virtual complete ruins and Iran has been drained economically.

    4. Azerbaijan has been ruled for two decades as the personal fiefdom of the Aliyev dynasty. Its aggressive nationalism is used to bind and blind the nation, targeting the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, populated virtually exclusively by Armenians after Azerbaijan objected to self-determination in the early 1990s and commenced the Nagorno-Karabakh War which ended in 1994 but with no peace treaty since then. And now we have a massive military build-up by Azerbaijan.

    3. So in the region the logic of – the enemy of my enemy is my friend – plays out. Small or poorly led nations will be puppets as long as local people permit external forces to set the agenda and pull the strings.

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  6. Vartan hrandian

    Azerbaijan with or without oil is third world Moslem country,at root level its people despise Jews and armenians,Israely leadership knows this very well,but they make fatal mistake arming their blood enemies,may be they know all these advanced weaponry are useless in the hands of poor Azeri misguided troops,with no desire to die for Aliove clan.

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  7. Aren Rostamian

    Thanks for the article Masis. I agree that Israel is trying to fortify Azerbaijan as an ally which could deal a blow to Iran eventually. Turks and Israelis have been solid allies for many years.

    I just think that Azerbaijan is still bluffing an offensive here and are not really willing to go to war. Reasons being:

    1. Even though Azerbaijan has military upgrades, Armenia still holds the top defensive positions and have an advantage as the defender. Attacking is always more difficult than defending. Eventually after attacking from air and using whatever technology AZ has, they’ll need to get on the ground and fight Armenians troops.

    2. Armenian troops are much more willing and ready to defend their homeland than Azeris who feel Kharabakh is not even their land. Let’s remember, Kharabakh, which is really called Artsakh as it’s actual historical name, has been Armenian territory for over 4000 years. Artsakh was given to Azerbaijan by Stalin. In fact, Azerbaijan never even existed before Soviet times. Stalin created Azerbaijan and took that enclave from Armenia and gave it to Azerbaijan. Again, in hopes of creating future conflict. A well calculated step by the Russians who continue to gain from the frozen conflict by making money on arms sales.

    3. Azeris know an attack on Armenia is an attack on Russia. So they’ll need to deal with Russian military at that point. Russia has a base in Armenia and Putin has noted an attack on Armenia is a statement of war against Russia. Azeris are hesitant to fight that fight as that may allow Russia to invade Azerbaijan and take that oil rich land, which Russia has been waiting for an excuse to do.

    4. Aliyev and Azeri bluffs at war are just that, bluffs. Aliyev is trying to show some aggressiveness and border action to coerce Armenians to the bargaining table in order to get his territory back or the majority of it. Aliyev can’t fight Armenia because that opens the possibility to destruction to Azeri oil infrastructure. Something that Exxon and BP would not be happy about. If Aliyev starts a war and Armenia uses their medium range missles to destroy Azeri oil structure and pipelines, Exxon and BP will have Aliyev’s head for dinner.

    War is never a good thing. Children and innocent people on both sides end of suffering as a result. Armenia and Azerbaijan should come together and agree on the territories. In my opionion, Artsakh should remain Armenian. It has historically been Armenian. It was populated by majority Armenians while it was under Azeri control. Armenia should give up the additional Azeri territories they gained through the war and cease fire. I know that’s easier said than done, but you would think logical people with education would be able to come to the table and have an agreement. But then again, politics and oil interests are never logical.

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  8. Masis

    The one thing that is not calculated is how stupid Azeris are. When you look at a Turkic house along the border, it looks like a sh*thole. These people have no willingness or ability to construct and an eagerness to destruct. That will be their downfall.

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    • Aren Rostamian

      I agree. General consensus about Turkish people worldwide is that they are extremely lazy. That’s also why they don’t like going to war much. Aliyev is pushing them and scaring them into a war, but they don’t want to fight. Even along the Turkish border, Turkey doesn’t send troops to fight ISIS. Instead they have Kurds fighting them. Turkish people are super lazy. And Armenians are builders no doubt. That’s why they are willingly accepted into every society they go into and migrate to. They create businesses, clean cities, great housing, and powerful communities. Every leader in the world is looking for that.

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      • Araz

        Israel is Azerbaijan’s historical friend. And also Azerbaijan friend with Turkiye. Of course Armenian and armenian people slave of Russia F. We are free country. We have got a freedom. Everybody know that Erevan (İrəvan) is Azerbaijan’s historical place. Armenians are also stole “yan” surname end from Iran. there are not anything their own. All thing they take from others. For example: Lavash from Azerbaijan, There are any thing includes Azerbaijani names too. For example
        Demirchi -yan. What the mean of demirchi in armenian language. or Nalband.
        Demirchi mean smith from Azerbaijanu

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        • Aren

          It’s funny, Russians were aiding the Azeris against the Armenians in the first conflict. So I’m guessing at that time you were the puppets of the Russians and now you are the puppets of America/Israel? Let’s face it, no matter how much military you want to gather, it takes one little flip of the switch from Exxon/BP to meltdown your entire government and nation just like they did to Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, UAE, and the list goes on. We are all puppets my friend of two countries. Everyone is.

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          • Aren

            Araz is another name for Arax, which is a river that runs through historical Armenia. So much for your “We all came from Azeri” comment.

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