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Bellingcat Podcast: MH17, Episode 5 Guide: The Men on the Ground

August 14, 2019

By Bellingcat Podcast

You can listen to the fifth episode of the Bellingcat Podcast on the downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 (MH17), “The Men on the Ground”, by subscribing on any major podcast application by searching “Bellingcat”, including at:

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Episode Description

Hear the moment when MH17 was spotted by separatist rebels on the ground in Eastern Ukraine, who decided to shoot a missile at a plane they hadn’t bothered formally identifying.

Listen in on a chilling batch of intercepted calls made on the day of the downing. In a sea of disinformation, half-truths and outright lies, these calls offer a raw, unfiltered account of the moments before and after the shooting. Eliot uses this haunting collection of conversations between the separatist rebels to piece together an accurate picture of what really happened that fateful day when 298 people lost their lives.

Hear the reaction of family members whose loved ones died as a result of the tragic, careless and murderous actions of the men whose voices are captured on these secretly recorded calls.


Our Guests 

Our guests in episode 5 of the podcast detailed their knowledge of the so-called separatist republics of eastern Ukraine, and detailed how a number of separatist commanders were caught on intercepted phone calls communicating with one another on the day of the airliner shootdown.

Pieter van Huis: Identifying the Separatists Linked to the Downing of MH17 (Bellingcat, with Pieter as the main author, 19 June 2019)

Nikolaus von Twickel: Bi-Weekly Newsletter, “Developments in ‘DNR’ and ‘LNR'” (Civic Monitoring) 

Mark Galeotti: Putin’s Secret Weapon (Foreign Policy, 7 July 2014)

Mark Galeotti: Ukraine’s Mob War (Foreign Policy, 1 May 2014)


The Men on the Ground

The key separatists behind the downing of MH17 are detailed at length in our recent report, “Identifying the Separatists Linked to the Downing of MH17”. You can watch a brief summary of our research below, via Newsy:

You can read a summary of the report here, and the full PDF report here. An outline of the hierarchy of these separatist commanders can be seen below:


Check for Yourself

You can listen to all of the intercepted phone calls that have been published by the Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) and the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) below.

2015 JIT Call for Witnesses, with a number of intercepted calls, starting at 2:33:

2016 JIT Call for Witnesses, focusing on Delfin (Nikolai Tkachev) and Orion (Oleg Ivannikov):

2019 JIT Press Meeting, with phone calls of high-level Russian and separatist officials:

SBU-published calls from July 14, and morning/early afternoon of July 17 (day of downing):

SBU-published calls from immediately after MH17 downing:

SBU-published calls between “Aleksey” and Aleksandr Khodakovsky concerning the black boxes:


Preview: Episode 6 Summary

The series concludes by looking to the future. Five years on from the downing of MH17, the net around the suspected killers is beginning to tighten. Eliot explores the numerous legal cases being brought against the Russian Federation by those who are determinedly fighting for justice.

Hear from Fred Westerbeke who heads up the Dutch-led Joint Investigative Team, who recently published the names of four individuals whom they believe to be involved in the shooting.

Lawyer Jerry Skinner explains a landmark case he is overseeing in which many of the bereaved families have joined forces to collectively sue both the Russian government and President Vladimir Putin directly. Days after taking the case on, Jerry had his office broken into, his files relating to MH17 stolen, a single photo of Putin placed on his desk.

Eliot also speaks to Marney Cheek, a lawyer acting on behalf of Ukraine’s government, she explains that she is fighting a legal battle through the International Court of Justice. Also known as The World Court, this is the institution of choice when state actors square off against each other.

Throughout this episode, experience the resilience and strength of the family members who are defying the odds by taking on Russia in a David and Goliath legal battle that looks set to rage for many years to come.

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  1. Pon Yor

    Separatist rebels? Really? After all these years? Isn’t it time to start calling them by their true nationalities? Russians invading Ukraine.

  2. M

    the old generation has survived and is doing well 🙂 young fighters either died of natural causes or kidnapped them, :):):):
    the revolution eats its own children ………they should read more books..

    back to the topic: no one will be convicted, it’s all for nothing,

    why Oleg Pulatov not Oleg Ivannikov known as Andrey Ivanovich ‘ORION?????

    why new detainees that you never wrote about appear?????
    please answer

  3. DD

    Bellingcat leaves out information of canon shots to the fuselage of the plane caused by a fighter jet.

  4. ZACH

    Damn good episode. Very impressive.
    Might I suggest also selling Bellingcat mugs, car stickers, or T-shirts to raise money for the podcast. I want to support but also like visual reminders of my interests

    • oui oui

      you have these pretty pictures on the wall , and this pretty ribbon . this make you remember “god bless the bombers” in Syria , then the 7500 Syrians burned under the blessed bombs , this number will make you remember the 13000 Ukrainians killed in Ukraine , then MH17

  5. Алекс Спарт

    Bellingcat mugs, car stickers, or T-shirts – very good idea!!!!! And the next – Bellingcat small museum which will not be owned by Bellingcat, but the most devoted fan of – not to be jailed like a part of the Bellingcat staff.

  6. ste pro

    The whole of your work is very impressive and convincing. All is plainly presented and highlights those responsible for this crime..

  7. Arthur

    Thank you for your efforts for keeping a hurtful reality alive. This kind of journalistic daily struggle makes me confident about our own freedom.

  8. TimJ

    Just listened to the entire series. Really great investigative work and a super well produced podcast. Look forward to more from Bellingcat!


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