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Skripal Poisoning Suspect’s Passport Data Shows Link to Security Services

September 14, 2018

By Bellingcat Investigation Team

Translations: Русский

Read The Insider Russian report on this same topic here.

An ongoing Bellingcat investigation conducted jointly with The Insider Russia has confirmed through uncovered passport data that the two Russian nationals identified by UK authorities as prime suspects in the Novichok poisonings on British soil are linked to Russian security services. This finding directly contradicts claims by the Russian president on 12 September 2018, and by the two men in an interview broadcast on RT one day later, that they are civilians who traveled to Salisbury for a tourist getaway.

Original Russian documents reviewed by Bellingcat and The Insider confirm definitively that the two men were registered in the central Russian resident database under the names Alexander Yevgenievich Petrov and Ruslan Timurovich Boshirov, respectively, and were issued internal passports under these names in 2009. However, no records exist for these two personas prior to 2009. This suggests the two names were likely cover identities for operatives of one of the Russian security services. Crucially, at least one man’s passport files contain various “top-secret” markings, which, according to at least two sources consulted by Bellingcat, are typically reserved for members of secret services or top state operatives.

These findings, along with peculiarities in the two men’s bookings of their flight to London, make Russia’s official statements that Petrov and Boshirov are civilian tourists implausible, and corroborate UK authorities’ claims that they are in fact officers of a Russian security service.

Last-minute travel plans

Aeroflot’s passenger manifest, reviewed by Bellingcat and The Insider, discredits Petrov and Boshirov’s claims, made in the RT interview, that they had been planning their visit to Salisbury for a long time. The manifest records the times of booking, check-in, and boarding of each passenger. In the case of the two suspects, they made their initial booking – and checked in online – at 20:00 GMT (22:00 Moscow time) on 1 March 2018, the night before their short trip to London and Salisbury.

(Click the manifest below to view it in full resolution)

The two suspects flew back to Moscow on 4 March 2018, having taken two trips to Salisbury both on March 3rd and March 4th, the day on which the Skripals were poisoned.

An Extraordinary Passport File

Bellingcat and The Insider have reviewed original records from the central Russian passport and residential registration database and have identified the passport files belonging to the two suspects.

The person using the name Alexander Petrov does in fact have a passport file, under the name Alexander Yevgenievich Petrov, born on 13 July 1979 in Kotlas, a small town in northern Russia. The birth date coincides with that of the Alexander Petrov who flew on Aeroflot flight SU2588 on 2 March 2018, as seen in the passenger manifest reviewed by Bellingcat.

This person’s domestic passport photo matches the photos released by the UK authorities and the face of the person calling himself Alexander Petrov in the RT interview.

Mr. Petrov’s passport file contains peculiarities that are not found in any other passport file reviewed by Bellingcat and The Insider in this and prior investigations.

Born in 2009?

First, this person’s file lacks any history of address registrations or previous identification documents issued prior to 2009. A standard passport file – such as the files of the other 3 Russian citizens bearing the name Alexander Petrov and born on 13 July 1979, all of which were reviewed by Bellingcat and the Insider before identifying the person of interest – contain a history of previous, expired ID documents (called domestic passports), international passports issued to the person (both expired and current), as well as previous address registrations. The first – and only – Russian ID document listed for Mr. Petrov under his file is an internal passport (mandatory for Russian citizens over the age of 14) issued on 26 November 2009, and valid until today. The passport file contains a field called “reason for issue of document”, which typically lists the previous (expired) ID document that the current one substitutes. In Mr. Petrov’s case, the reason for issuance of the new passport is listed simply as “Unsuitable for usage”, a marking typically used when a previous passport has been damaged or found to contain invalid data. A hand-written note in Petrov’s file makes a reference to a pre-existing national passport issued in St. Petersburg in 1999. However, no record of such a passport number exists in the central passport database.

“Do not provide any information”

Alexander Petrov’s passport dossier is marked with a stamp containing the instruction “Do not provide any information”.  This stamp does not exist in standard civilian passport files. A source working in the Russian police force who regularly works with the central database confirmed to Bellingcat and The Insider that they have never seen such a stamp on any passport form in their career.  That source surmised that this marking reserved for operatives of the state under deep cover.

Adding additional credence to the hypothesis that Alexander Petrov’s persona is a cover identity comes from another page in his passport file, which is reserved for input of biographical data. In Mr. Petrov’s case, this page is left blank, and in addition to the same stamp “Do not provide information”, a hand-written note is added with the text “There is a letter. S.S.”. Per the same source interviewed for this story, S.S. is a common abbreviation for “sovershenno sekretno”, Russian for “top secret”.

Another clue pointing to the non-civilian status of Mr. Petrov is the absence from his passport file of any information about his international passport, which he used to travel to the United Kingdom. The passport number is listed in the Aeroflot passenger manifest reviewed by Bellingcat. However, the passport file shows no international passport belonging to Alexander Petrov, in contrast with regular practice – under which the file contains a list of all government-issued ID documents, both national and international passports, expired and currently valid.

(Click the passport data below to view it in full resolution)

The Russian media outlet Fontanka has previously published information on Boshirov and Petrov’s passport files, indicating that they were separated by only 3 digits (-1294 and -1297), meaning that they were issued at nearly the same time. Bellingcat and The Insider also reviewed passport data for the other two individuals to whom those two passports were issued, with the the passport numbers ending in -1295 and -1296. These two individuals also had peculiar passport dossiers, with incomplete or time-capped data, similar to Alexander Petrov’s passport file. Additionally, Fontanka noted that Petrov and Boshirov bought two separate return flights back to Moscow on March 4. Additional information on these findings, along with other discoveries related to Boshirov and Petrov, will be published on Bellingcat’s site next week.

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454 Comments

  1. Simon

    Looks like Putin’s trolls had to go home now. No activity past 8 GMT.
    Night shifts must be too expensive for that bankrupt mafia state.

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  2. E.M.H.

    The main question remains unanswered: where are dead bodies as a result of the “deadly attack, using military grade chemical agent”? Where are Skripals? Where is the end of this BS? WTF?

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    • Grubbie

      Very little research required, Ms Strugess was cremated. The Skirpals are quite understandably in hiding.
      Major alert in Salisbury this evening as 2 more people fall ill.Hopfully this is just the authorities being super cautious.

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      • Brad

        And Charlie is still fighting fir his life.

        Although, at the moment Alexander and Ruslan are on,y wanted for attempted murder of the Skripals.

        The police may well have fingerprint and/ or other DNA evidence as well as intell.

        There is no obligation to publish all evidence.

        They seem very sure.

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        • Grubbie

          There’s no evidence, unfounded allegations,etc. If Bellingcat can do it and the likes of concerned pbot insist that Bellingcat gets its information from MI6, is it not reasonably likely that MI6 had this information all along?Just because you don’t know how someone knows something dosnt mean it’s not true. Alison Machon,Craig Murray,Neil Clark and George Galloway, you are on the road to hell ,as you know better.
          Well done Bellingcat, why can’t the BBC do this sort of thing with the Jacuzzi full of cash we are forced to give them.Star BBC foreign correspondents are paid more than 20 researchers.

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  3. Shumble

    As well as the clearly bungled assassination attempt the cover is dreadful. I think the GRU in future will most likely be refining this for subsequent operations. If they had bought fridge magnets, key rings, bars of Kendal mint cake or other souvenirs from the cathedral gift shop the cover may have been a lot more believable

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    • Grubbie

      The best part is watching all the Russians, from Putin downwards, sweat, they have very little idea how much MI6 already knows. They have left the subject of whether they actually saw the cathedral extremely vague.
      Wasting much of yesterday engaging with the pbots I have realised that you just have to use a process of elimination,the fertile ground is the subjects that they aren’t prepared to argue to the death.In this case it’s the hitmens missing past, you can disappear,but everyone has a past.

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      • Frank

        Is that correct? The interview with the pair includes them saying that they spent considerable time at the cathedral and want to know why photos of them being there have not been released.

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        • Philip

          Seems easy to fake photos, or get some sent from agents in the uk, but actually very difficult as they would have to show green leaves, snow, and other people who were there on those dates, which is impossible for Russia to find out.

          Photoshop time in Moscow!?????

          Ps. The Gatwick photos are of different corridors. Look at red signs bottom right below the word ‘PAUSE’.

          They differ.

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          • Eliot Higgins

            The two suspects said it was them in the photographs, so are they lying too?

          • Philip

            Elliot,

            Sorry. The lost post wasn’t clear.

            I meant for the accused, at some time in the future, to be able to fake their own photos of Salisbury Cathedral. Not an easy task. Impossible to be able to pass real scrutiny for the reasons I mention. They would need to have photos to paste of other tourists at the cathedral that day.

            Agreed that they admitted in the RT interview that the cctv photos were of them. Although they said the two Gatwick pictures may have been fake, because they queried the date and time stamp.

            They are actually different corridors, so they did go through at the same time.
            This is clear if you look at the bottom right corner below the word ‘PAUSE’ on both photos at uncropped size (available in some articles). The red graphics differ in the photos.

            There is no reason for the uk to fake the entry photos anyway. They have agreed they were there, and in Salisbury at the time.

            The RT interview was of great help to the uk.

            I’ll end on a serious note.

            This has the potential to cause very serious International instability as there is no way P can back down, yet the GRU have been made to look ridiculous and the Russians are beginning to see that. That’s a nightmare for P.

            Not good.

        • Black Star

          They claim to have been tourists, so why they do not have own pictures of their visit? They like a cathedral so much they visit it twice and do not take a single picture?

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      • Brad

        Indeed.

        I think the uk has uncovered the whole thing, and has been playing with Russia.

        Putin is not happy. These two failed miserably in their mission.

        Don’t know where it will go from here.

        Dumb and Dumber are probably already dead.

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    • Brad II

      The cover of staying overnight in London and travelling incognito to Salisbury on seperate days is a bit of a giveaway, as are the two return air tickets each.

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  4. Adrian Kent

    Whether or not these two are GRU agents, free-lance spotters, closet homosexuals, innocent tourists or anything else, the fact of the matter is that unless someone can explain the three-hour, symptom free, time period that the Skripals enjoyed between their door-handle dose and their simultaneous collapse, the current UK Government time-line exonerates both of the suspects. Both the Russians were well out of Salisbury by the time the Skripals showed any effects at all of being exposed to a nerve agent.

    Dan Kaszeta, a regular around these parts, has told us that all OP agents work ‘from local to general’, but has not explained how the Skripals (with their obviously different physiologies) could possibly have been dosed such that neither would have felt anything significant for hours before they both collapsed so simultaneously that neither one could raise the alarm for the other. There simply have been no reports of a nerve agent ever acting in this way (I stand to be corrected on this, but Kaszeta, Hamish de Breton Gordon, Philip Ingram have all failed to supply any).

    Even if there were some kind of OP agent that displayed this delayed-action effect, the chances of them absorbing the agent so that they were both
    affected concurrently are vanishingly small.

    Alex Thomson of Channel 4 news has told me that no one in the UK Government has provided him with an explanation of how this could work – and certainly no one from Bellingcat has done so.

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    • Grubbie

      Why should they explain how your nerve agents work?There’s obviously loads of information that they are holding back.
      Boshirov and Petrov are unlikely to be at liberty right now, but if they are they need to get themselves arrested in a civilised country as soon as possible if they know what’s good for them.

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      • Adrian Kent

        The point is that the UK Government story – and their entire case against these two Russians – relies upon a completely new characteristic of OP nerve agents that has never been seen before – and which also belies the known effects of other OP agents.

        Imagine if the Skripals had just been shot in the head and that Boris Johnson & Thresa May had said that it was done by these Russians with a gun that could shoot around corners. A reasonable person might ask just how that gun worked and why hadn’t we seen anything like it before? That’s where we are with the entirely novel & medically implausible Novichok effect.

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        • Grubbie

          There have been various guns that can shoot around corners.The Russians are the experts on this substance,ask them.

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          • DDTea

            I’m a real chemist too.

            Ken’s manipulating you by hyperfocusing on Electron Impact mass spectrometry and its limitations, without considering well-known techniques to overcome them (soft ionization, sample preparation, synthesis of references, derivatization, etc.)

          • Brad

            In reality, any country can easily get small amounts of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons into any country. It’s not difficult. There is effectively a gentleman’s agreement that this does not happen.

            Russia (almost certainly, yes) has unilaterally broken that for the sake of attempted revenge on a harmless old man.

            How daft.

          • francesca

            DDTEA
            If such minute traces are truly detectable, it doesn’t seem likely that only 2 swabs of many came up trumps and the swabs completely mopped up all the traces of novichoc, so that none were available for the OPCW or independent analysts

          • francesca

            DDTEA
            And yet those other techniques you mention failed to replicate the initial findings
            That the hotel room was swept clean and decontaminated by the initial swabbings makes the millions spent decontaminating Salisbury rather ridiculous

      • Grubbie

        The Skirpals were not affected concurrently and neither were Dawn and Charlie,one died and the other one survived, at least until now.It was slow acting in both events. I’m not a chemist,but if you look at Wikipedia you will realise that it’s possible to make it slow acting. Porton down has only just managed to get their hands on a significant quantity of this nerve agent and testing it on humans is ethically problematic. I’m sure they will have worked it out by the time of the court case.If it’s not possible, the case will be thrown out.

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        • Adrian Kent

          The Skripals collapsed within minutes of each other – neither of them apparently stood-up, shouted or anything – having been given the dose hours before. That’s concurrent enough to be implausible.

          Far from being slow acting, Dawn Sturgess felt ill within minutes, but still remained able to raise the alarm to Charlie, who himself was well enough to go out and about for hours before he felt ill himself.

          Dan Kaszeta (in his ‘Myth Busting’ politics.co.uk piece) has told us that all OP agents work in the same way – you’re telling us that this one does not. What do you know that he doesn’t?

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          • Brad

            There is no precedent for rain- weakened gel absorbed through the skin, and anyway this batch could have been deliberately designed to be slow-acting to allow Jeff Daniels and Jim Carey time to escape.

          • Brad II

            Adrian,

            Novichoks were designed to be administered as gas powder air suspension and inhaled.

            This was gel absorbed via hand skin contact- direct and secondary, maybe even tiertary.

            And we don’t know exactly when they felt ill, only approximately when they appeared to be ill.

            Kalashnikovs don’t always kill either. Rather obvious, but look at how confused you all are. It’s no defence to say it didn’t kill immediately. Obviously.

            The OPCW have confirmed that a Novichok was in their blood.

            There is no dispute.

            None.

          • Adrian Kent

            @Brad – I’m not disputing that an agent was present in their blood – or questioning why they weren’t killed immediately – I’m questioning the UK Gov’s story about how they received their dose.

            The latest UK version gives only a short, less than one hour, time window for when the Skripals could have received their door-handle dose (which also rules out the chance of the dose being rain effected). The slow actiing effect is disproved by Dawn feeling ill within minutes. The Skripals were both symptom free enough to go for a stroll, have a few pints and a meal – all apparently without transfering any of the gel from their hands to their eyes or mouth (even via the garlic bread we know they ate and handed to some kids – one of whom ate some too). It’s much more likely that they received thier dose at the bench.

          • Brad

            Adrian,

            Who says that Dawn received the same dose or application method as the Skripals?

            Dawn certainly applied it with no rain weakening, indoors and immediately after opening. The Skripals received the dose a long time after application to the door handle (or whatever) and likely outside.

            We also don’t know if that was the exact same batch of Novichok. Charlie had said it was in an unopened package. There may have been two or even more bottles of the poison.

            We don’t know…

          • Brad

            Adrian,

            There is no UK gov story, as you put it.

            This is a serious case, and ongoing…

            You confuse media reports for facts.

            You are indeed correct in saying that we don’t know all the details, and they may not stack up.

            But the fact remains that these two are accused by the UK of attempted murder on uk soil. It’s not your or my job to examine the media reports as evidence.

            It was a novichok.
            Two Russians visited Salisbury at the same time and were very close to the Skripals’ house
            There is other evidence (that we have not seen) that satisfies the UK CPS, France, Germany, the USA.

          • TJ

            Consider that Sergei was wearing gloves/driving gloves? So minimal initial contact and then later contamination and cross contamination to Yulia.

          • Adrian Kent

            @Brad – I’m afraid that your comments are wide of the mark.

            According to this new UK Gov timeline, if these Russians were the ones who applied the gel to the doorhandle – which the claim was late Sunday morning – then the Skripals must have touched it no more than about an hour later – I’m pretty certain there wasn’t any rain in the meatime too (but stand to be corrected on that). This new time-line (and yes it is a story) also involves the Skripals coming home again after their morning trip out – a movement that has not been mentioned before and for which there has been no CCTV evidence provided – the police were still asking for information on what they were doing all morning.

            Secondly – and very significantly – the OPCW have not confirmed Novichok use – and haven’t actually used that term. They have only confirmed the UK’s conclusion as to what the agent was – in the report on the Amesbury pair the OPCW just refer to ‘toxic substance’ throughout.

            The closes the UK have come to a definitive statement was to the judge in a case brought by Salisbury NHS to get permission to take samples from Yulia. In the written judgement was this paragraph:

            “i) CC: Porton Down Chemical and Biological Analyst Blood samples from Sergei Skripal and Yulia Skripal were analysed and the findings indicated exposure to a nerve agent or related compound. The samples tested positive for the presence of a Novichok class nerve agent or closely related agent. “

            As you can see, that’s far from definite.

            As for it not being ‘our job’ to investigate and check the UK Gov’s story – you do realise what website this is? Open Source investigations and all that – we’re dealing with all the open sources we’ve got.

          • Brad

            Adrian,

            There is no ‘government time line’.

            The case is ongoing.

            We don’t know exactly when or indeed if it was actually them who administered the poison. In tha respect you are correct, but you are simply obfuscating around detail issues that will come out in a court case (or not in which case not guilty).

            You mistake media for law.

            The CPS has a case.

            Fact.

            There’s nothing you can do to argue or test that because it is fact.

          • Brad

            @Adrian Kent,

            The executive summary released by the OPCW does not mention novichok by name, but states: “The results of the analysis by the OPCW designated laboratories of environmental and biomedical samples collected by the OPCW team confirms the findings of the United Kingdom relating to the identity of the toxic chemical that was used in Salisbury and severely injured three people.”

            The OPCW, which does identify the chemical by its complex formula in a classified report that has not been made public, also notes in its summary that the chemical had an “almost complete absence” of impurities.

          • DDTea

            Families of chemicals may have the same pharmacological or toxicological action but nonetheless vary in their onset, potency, or viable routes of entry.

            Consider opioids. All opioids work the same way, but a pin prick of carfentanyl will kill you instantly while a hefty mass of codeine won’t. Morphine is much less potent orally than it is by injection. Heroin lasts longer than morphine, dextromethorphan has no analgesic action, etc.

            Nevertheless, delayed onset is very common and well-known with organophosphate nerve agents. The time of onset to symptoms is related to the dose received.

      • Redeemer

        Why would we come up with any substantial evidence at all? Trial by media serves the purpose very well. After all, didn’t we raise a couple of generations worth of sheep who will do anything but think for themselves or worse yet, take responsibility? The UK don’t need to provide evidence. The UK hold “the moral high ground”.

        What a disgrace.

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    • Brad II

      Delayed action?

      Before Dawn was killed, the last Novichok death (which was accidental) took FIVE years to kill.

      Don’t believe the Russian hype.

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  5. Brad

    The point is that Russia (and you) are still trying to sow doubt around it being a Novichok.

    Please stop.

    There is no doubt, and you failed to infiltrate the OPCW, didn’t you?

    It was a Novichok not BZ.

    It was most likely liquid or gel.

    There is NO PRECEDENT for its behaviour when skin applied and was designed to be inhaled to kill quickly.

    We don’t know…

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      • Georgy

        I’m quite unsure about the “strong motive”. I don’t see a point in jailing him first, the swapping him and after a long while killing him. What for? This doesn’t sound plausible IMHO.

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        • Brad

          Georgy,

          Привет

          Skripal received a very light sentence for treason of 15 (reduced to 13) years in a penal colony. The sentence in the USA is death (in a few states) and life imprison in the rest. Medvedev was President at the time.

          Ex. FSB Putin wasn’t too happy.

          The he was released and swapped after less than 4 years, and lived in comfort in Salisbury and continued to work and lecture in the uk against Russia.

          Putin hated that and wanted him to suffer, and, well you can see his point really, if you’re Russian, surely?

          I short, Skripal didn’t even serve half of his light sentence anyway, and then continued to work for the ither side.

          Perfect motive (retribution) or even reason (treason).

          Why do you think Assange and Snowden won’t return to the USA?

          Russia HAS MOTIVE.

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          • Georgy

            Brad,
            I see this quite opposite. Putin could have easily helped Skripal to get full 15 years sentence. But he didn’t. He could easily helped Skripal to die accidentally in prison. Again he didn’t. He could easily prohibit swapping (remeber he is ex FSB), and again…
            As for hatred and personal vendetta. I really don’t believe that any politician of such a level have a luxury of giving vent to emotions.
            And as a Russian I would add that we have a long tradition of forgiveness rather than vendetta (its not even a Russian word :). Really, we forgave a lot of terrorist in 19 century and this finally cost us our Tsar (Alexander II).

            I’m not trying to convince anybody here, I’m just trying to understand how come we have such a different view of the situation. For me the whole story is full of inconsistencies, starting for the motive, continuing with illogical choice of attack method and ending with alleged hitmans who did everything to get caught.

          • Брад

            Georgy,

            Watch the video.

            If you don’t understand Russian (I think you do) switch on auto-translate.

          • Brad

            Georgy,

            If skripal was dead he couldn’t have been swapped.

            He was swapped as 1 of 3 for 12 from the USA inc. Anna Chapman.

            Futhermore, P and the GRU like to show fear and the ability to strike anywhere and at anytime. Also P wants Russian money in London to repatriate and criminals settled in London to know they aren’t safe.

            The result was meant to have been a mysterious, scary death of an enemy of Russia. P also would not want R to be too clearly guilty as it could endanger other future soy swaps. But P is ex. FSB and quite emotional and deeply patriotic.

            Like the Litvinenko case. Both left traces and Skripal wasn’t killed and they injured, killed innocents. Result that GRU looks daft.

            Russia had motive.

            Ok?

          • Brad

            Georgy,

            The Bolshevik slaughter of the Romanov Royal family, including the brutal murder of children, has to be the worst example of forgiveness the world has ever heard.

            100 years ago.

            Дебил.

          • Georgy

            Brad,
            I saw the video. Yes, I agree this can be perceived as a threat. But it is just words of a politician. Politicians are very constrained on what they can really do.

            > Futhermore, P and the GRU like to show fear and the ability to strike anywhere and at anytime. Also P wants Russian money in London to repatriate and criminals settled in London to know they aren’t safe.

            This level of speculations is no any better than “London wants to press Russia by connecting it with Assads chemical attacks in the eyes of global community etc. and force them to withdraw from Syria”. At least this solves current problems. For me this is the same farfetched.

            > The result was meant to have been a mysterious, scary death of an enemy of Russia. P also would not want R to be too clearly guilty as it could endanger other future soy swaps. But P is ex. FSB and quite emotional and deeply patriotic.

            This absolutely kills any image gains made during the championship. Why waste so much real money in exchange for emotions and patriotism. This is not plausible, ok?

            > The Bolshevik slaughter of the Romanov Royal family, including the brutal murder of children, has to be the worst example of forgiveness the world has ever heard.

            Please stop confusing Russians with these far left idiots (мудаки). We got our share of suffering. There is nothing specific to Russia here. Western lefts have a very good potential to make a disaster of similar scale.

            > дебил
            I know what happened in Russia in 20th century. It’s my country and my pain. And it is we who did this, нам с этим жить. Западу тоже есть с чем жить, но он волшебным образом этого перестал замечать.

          • Brad

            Georgy,

            Putin is not ‘a politician’ he is President of Russia with considerable power, and he is ex. FSB.

            The rest of your post is nonsense too.

            Go away, Russian failed troll.

            Ничего ты не знаешь.

            Дурак.

  6. FreedomVoice

    Just wander how did brits get access to these guys’ passport data? Is there any proof that “uncovered passport data” is not fake?

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    • theRiddler

      Luckily the light has not yet dimmed into total darkness inside of Russia and conscientious employees from the ФМС gave search access to the database to a team of Russian researchers. May they be safe!

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      • FreedomVoice

        Well, you can’t know for sure whether it was a conscientious employee from the ФМС, or just fake.

        Also, a passport photo like this can be created using Adobe Photoshop in 10 minutes.

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        • Grubbie

          I hate to be a bore,but you still haven’t come up with a past for these thugs. It’s just not possible that no who knew them has come forward. If you run a business, you must have met a huge of people. Perhaps their mum and dad might remember them.

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          • FreedomVoice

            Could you please explain in more detail how exactly you learnt that noone knows these two guys? Population of Russia region is roughly 300 million people (with neighbours).

          • Grubbie

            Go on then, provide some evidence yourself. Ofcouse I can’t provide any details at all, there aren’t any.Its impossible. Thousands of journalists are looking and they can’t find anything either .

          • FreedomVoice

            In civilized countries (which UK is obviously not part of) there is such a thing as “presumption of innocence”. If you try to accuse someone (say Russia) then it’s your responsibility to provide strong undoubt evidence (not Photoshop pictures, and not “uncovrered” secret spies from ФМС).

          • FreedomVoice

            I do not suggest anything. I just look at facts and make correct conclusions (unlike cheap british propoganda)

          • Grubbie

            This presumption of innocence argument,so beloved by the you pbots, is ridiculous. Any trial in the world has to start off with someone being accused of something.If you had already been found guilty there would be no point in having a trial. When the Russian people finally see the light and inevitably turn on the kleptomaniac Putin, whoever these thugs turn out to be will be presumed innocent until proven guilty when tried.

          • Grubbie

            You and your farm full of pbots are suggesting that no one can be accused of anything until they have already been found guilty.
            There is a mountain of evidence so I am confident that they will be found guilty, but that is for the court to decide.
            It seems that you pbots can’t understand simple logic never mind basic law.

    • Boc

      Brad, despite your best attempts at cockiness and gaslighting anyone who disagrees, the UK claims have more holes than 100 Swiss cheese factories. From blaming Russia in a heart beat, to claiming only Russia have Novichok, to the endless changes in how the Novichok was applied, to the deadliest agent which somehow doesn’t kill, to Porton Down not being able to identify where the agent was produced, to “trust us” evidence, to being expected to believe notoroius lying intel agencies, dodgy warning advice of authroities, through to the bubing assassins, the game changing timeline of the guys arriving nearly 3 hours after Skripals left housewith no evidence of returning, to supposition on why these giys would go on an admittedly odd trip (guys are probably dodgy steroid dealers) & finally to the ultimate insult to the intelligence that Russian intel would produce docs with top secret splashed on them. This last step would make our interpid bumblers look like Einsteins & is an obvious fabrication. Research into Russian passports, military service & the key fact of these guys ages will expalin the 2009 part.

      As for motive, Skripal was working with Spanish intel, Miller & Steele. So Russia, UK & US may have had a motive to kill him as he may have compromised any of them, perhaps all 3. Who knows, maybe it could make a modern day Pink Panther movie with all 3 agencies competing to get him

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  7. Grubbie

    OK so if Putin hands over over Anna Chapman and the traitor and RT prostitute Ken Livingstone for execution and several random totally innocent Russians to take their chances with a dose of nerve agent. then we could just forget about the whole thing?
    The real worry is imagining what he has got away with and what on earth is going on domestically.

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  8. Just Wondering

    Some questions:

    Why did the Russian security service (GU? [GRU was renamed to just GU years ago apparently) send two men when one would have been sufficient to do the job of applying the Novichok to the front door and would have been less suspicious?

    Is it possible that there is a a third agent and that the two men were just delivering the substance to him/her and their blatant exposure a clever ruse to provide diversion and a level of distraction and pseudo-plausible deniability?

    Is it also possible that this was a GU “rogue” operation to payback the Skripals for their treachery? If it was, then Putin could keep a straight face when claiming he knew nothing about it.

    I am not wishing to imply that Putin would not authorize such an execution (he had no hesitation in giving the order to gas and killing his own fellow citizens in the Moscow theater siege), but what political capital does Putin gain for authorizing such a plan? Perhaps to keep the GU loyal?

    One suggestion that the reason for the timing of the hit was that the GU suspected that Skripal was about to be put back into active service for the UK intelligence operations.

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    • Brad

      Just…

      You bring up many irrelevant points.

      Well done.

      Have you seen the video of P from 2010 that I posted?

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  9. Lucky13

    Great to see that a Russian IL20 has been shot down by Syria using… wait for it, a missile provided by Russia!!!! Bwahahahaha!!
    So good 🙂 Karma is a bitch…

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    • Grubbie

      The most plausible reason for it being there is that it was providing signal intelligence for the Isreali F16 attack which was under way.

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    • FreedomVoice

      This is not funny. I wish your family will also be killed by terrorists. Maybe you’ll be smarter then

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      • Lucky13

        Oh yes it is funny! Given that in recent years Russian scum have murdered hundreds in Europe, from the Polish delegation through to MH17, to have them shot down by their own missile goes just a tiny way to providing some justice in this world. Watching them on RT trying to blame Israel is almost as comical as watching their efforts to deflect over the Skripal case. People all over the world are celebrating the Syrian army’s proficiency with the S200, but no where more so than in Ukraine. 🙂

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        • FreedomVoice

          Wrong. There is no evidence that Russia connected with Polish delegation and MH17.

          Anyways we saved lives of larger number of ukranians in Krimea and Eastern Ukraine than were killed in MH17. So consider MH17 a sacrifice. Saving millions for several hundreads deaths is a very good deal. As always Russia saves stupid european cunts.

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        • FreedomVoice

          Where did you find information regarding what countries are celebrating? Provide sources and evidence

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          • Lucky13

            “FreedomVoice – September 19, 2018
            Where did you find information regarding what countries are celebrating? Provide sources and evidence”

            Why so you can get your boyfriend ol Put’ Put’ onto them? I am sure that you will be able to tell him, just after you take his cock out of your mouth…

          • FreedomVoice

            Lucky13,
            I think you take something wrong. It’s europeans and americans who odore gays, bisexuals and transgenders. So threre much more chances than YOU are the one sucking cocks ans swallowing sperm 🙂 At least from statistical point of view this os true %-)

          • Brad

            @Freedom,

            The uk and allies said that it’s highly likely Russia instigated the attack

            There can be no criminal case in the uk against a state. That would be against the two men accused, and possibly others. Part of the case would mean for whom were they acting.

            Let’s hope Russia didnt do it.

            Will we ever know?

            Like the Litvinenko case, no, there are accused who remain ‘protected’ in Russia.

            Problem is that someone keeps stepping over a line.

            Люблю Россию.

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