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Identifying Khmuryi, the Major General Linked to the Downing of MH17

February 15, 2017

By Daniel Romein

Translations: Русский

This article was collaboratively researched and written by the Bellingcat  MH17 Investigation Team.

On 18 July 2014, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) published several tapped telephone conversations in relation to the July 17 downing of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17 (MH17). Most of these conversations, recorded on the day of the downing, are between an officer identified as ‘Khmuryi’ (’Gloomy’ or ‘Grumpy’) and other separatist officers or soldiers of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic. The SBU identified ‘Khmuryi’ as ‘Sergey Nikolaevich Petrovsky’, a Russian GRU officer, but it took some time before this was covered in-depth by either Western or Russian-language media.

On 1 April 2015, the Dutch news organizations NRC, NOS and De Telegraaf wrote on Khmuryi after the Joint Investigation Team (JIT) published a video that included the tapped phone conversations, but audible censoring of the identities of the parties in the call. However, on 18 September 2014, Russian-language media site PolitRussia published an article and a video about ‘Khmuryi’, a DNR officer named Sergey Petrovsky, presenting a photograph and a video interview. This publication is based on a video from 27 June 2014 showing an interview with a member of the so-called Donbas People’s Militia with the call sign ‘Khmuryi’. However, that video does not provide the full name of the commander. As this article will show, the man interviewed who reportedly fought in Slavyansk and is from Moscow is almost certainly not the same “Khmuryi” from the intercepted telephone conversation. Another video, titled ‘Sergey Nikolaevich Petrovsky (call sign Khmuryi, Bad soldier)’ and uploaded 2 October 2014, shows a video message of a masked man, who according to the video title is Sergey Petrovsky. However, the video was previously uploaded on 12 June 2014, entitled ‘Spetsnaz of Strelkov,’ and this man seems to be a different person than the bearded man in the 27 June 2014 video, as his voice differs.

Left: Screenshot of the 18 July 2014 SBU video, showing the name ‘Khmuryi’ and his full name ‘Sergey Nikolaevich Petrovsky’. Middle: publication of PolitRussia from 18 September 2014, showing a bearded man, supposed to be Sergey Petrovsky. Right: A masked man, visible in a 2 October 2014 video, titled “Sergey Nikolaevich Petrvosky (callsign ‘Khmuryi’, Bad Soldier)”. Below: Video from the JIT showing several conversations between Khmuryi and separatists.

On 30 November 2014, an interview with General Sergey Nikolaevich Petrovsky was published on the Russian news site Politikus, making clear that he was then the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate (GRU) of the Donetsk People’s Republic and that his military career started in the Soviet army in 1984, when he participated in the war in Afghanistan. In the 90s, he took part in wars in North Ossetia and Chechnya, where he met Igor ‘Strelkov’ Girkin, who was the Minister of Defence of the Donetsk People’s Republic in 2014. In another interview, published 25 December 2014 on ultranationalist Russian news site Zavtra, he describes himself as Major General Sergey Petrovsky, born in 1962 in the Donetsk region. It is unclear if he achieved the rank of major general in the Russian Federation or the self-proclaimed separatist republic. He also described having over 30 years of service in the Soviet and Russian armies.  An earlier interview with ‘Khmuryi’, then a colonel, was published in 2003 on the Russian news site Izvestia, as mentioned in a 2016 publication on a blog named Globalized.  This blog, but also another blog on 28 November 2014, describes that a person who calls himself ‘Plokhoy Soldat’ (‘Bad Soldier’), with an avatar saying ‘Khmuryi’, frequently posted on a forum of the website Antikvariat, a website about history, military relics, and other topics, and where Igor ‘Strelkov’ Girkin also regularly posted messages about the war in Ukraine. In this forum, he wrote on 19 July 2014 that he is Colonel Sergey Nikolaevich Petrovsky, Deputy Minister of Defence of the Donetsk People’s Republic for guards reconnaissance.

It is because of Igor Girkin’s e-mail account that was hacked in May 2014 that the true identity of Sergey Petrovsky, which is not his real name, came to light. Several e-mails from Girkin’s e-mail account were published, among them an e-mail sent on 28 April 2014 from Sergey Dubinsky with e-mail address karahan1962@mail.ru, writing “Igor, this is Zubr [European bison], hi, do you still remember me??” This name and e-mail address lead to a social media profile that makes clear that Dubinsky was born on 9 August 1962 and lived in Donetsk, Ukraine.  It’s noteworthy to mention that this year of birth (1962) differs from SBU’s claim he was born in 1964. The e-mail address also leads to a forum on a website about the 181st Motorized Infantry Regiment, that belonged to the 108th Motorized Infantry Division, which was involved in the Afghan war from 1979 to 1989. In the forum, after a list of names of soldiers and the years they served, a guest introduces himself on 18 July 2010 as ‘Karakhan’ and Sergey Dubinsky, serving from 1985 to 1987, currently living in Donetsk, Ukraine. In 2011 he registered himself as user ‘Karakhan’, Sergey Dubinsky, born on 9 August 1962, and uploaded a photograph of himself in a military uniform, showing the rank of Colonel. One of his fellow veterans soon after uploaded several photographs of him as well, and in 2016 another fellow veteran uploaded a larger version of the photograph of Sergey Dubinsky in uniform and described him as ‘Petrovsky, Dvorkovskiy, Khmuryi, Zubr [European bison], Bison and our Karakhan’ and as ‘Khmuryi in DNR (Donetsk People’s Republic)’ in now-deleted posts on the forum. A video in the forum and a YouTube video show the same photograph of Sergey Dubinsky in a military uniform.

Top left: Khmuryi’s avatar on the Antikvariat forum; down left: photograph of Sergey Dubinsky in Afghanistan from his social media profile on ‘Moi Mir’ (My World); right: photograph of Sergey Dubinsky in a colonel uniform, uploaded in 2011.

The photograph of Sergey Dubinsky in uniform seems to have been edited (for example, a fragment of the medal ‘Order for Merit to the Fatherland’ on his tie seems to be missing), though the number of medals fit with a colonel and a military career since 1984. However, most of the medals on his uniform are from the Soviet era, such as the ‘Order of the Red Star’, ‘Order for Service to the Motherland in the Armed Forces of the USSR’, the medal ‘Veteran of the Armed Forces of the USSR’, all three medals ‘For Impeccable Service’ and a jubilee medal ’70 Years of the USSR Armed Forces’. The medals ‘Veteran of the Armed Forces of the USSR’ were only awarded to people who served in the Armed Forces of the Soviet Union for 25 years or more and the medals ‘For Impeccable Service’ were awarded to people who served 10, 15 and 20 years in the Armed Forces of the Soviet Union, so with a military career that started in 1984 it’s impossible for him to have these medals, as the Soviet Union ceased to exist in 1991.  Two medals on the bottom right are medals for veterans of the Afghan war: the badge for ‘Soldiers-Internationalists’ and the medal ‘From the Grateful Afghan People’. Only the two medals ‘Order of Courage’ up left could have been awarded during his service in the Russian army. The medal up right seems to be the jubilee medal ‘50 Years of Victory in the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945’, a medal that was awarded in 1993, according to another source, only to veterans of the 2nd World War and former underage prisoners of concentration camps. Since Dubinsky was born in 1962, he could not belong to these two categories.

Articles about the Donetsk People’s Republic published his photograph on 10 August 2015, 14 September 2015 and 12 November 2015, but only on 19 November 2016 the link to MH17 was made on a website about Donetsk. Data and photographs of Sergey Dubinsky were published on the website of ‘Mirotvorets’ (‘Peacemaker’), an organization that gathers personal information largely from open sources on Russians, separatists, and alleged collaborators related to the war in the Donbas. On 7 February 2017, an open source research collective InformNapalm published additional information about Sergey Dubinsky and the exact location of his current residence: ulitsa Molodozhnaya 4B, Bolshoy Log, Rostov Oblast in Russia.

Bellingcat found another social media profile of Sergey Nikolaevich Dubinsky, with information indicating that this user was born on 9 August 1962, and living in Donetsk, Ukraine, and in Rostov-on-Don, Russia. According to the photographs from this profile, Dubinsky and his family were living in Russia in 2010, but apparently lived in Ukraine in the summer of 2011. According to an openly accessible traffic police database of Rostov-on-Don, Sergey Nikolaevich Dubinsky, born on 9 August 1962, lived in Stepnoy in an undefined street house number 1, apartment 117, and had three different cars registered on his name between 1998 and 2004. Stepnoy in the Rostov Oblast is a military village, where the 22nd Spetsnaz Brigade (literally translated as the 22th Separate Brigade for Special Purposes), or military unit 11659 is located, a military unit that is part of the ‘GRU’, the Main Intelligence Directorate.

Photographs in his album prove that he was in Donetsk, Ukraine in the autumn and December of 2014. On the autumn 2014 photograph Dubinsky is visible next to Russian actor Mikhail Porechenkov, who visited Donetsk on 30 October 2014. In the December 2014 photograph, Russian actor Ivan Okhlobystin, who is banned from Ukraine because of his support to pro-Russian separatists, and his wife Oksana Arbuzova are visible. He visited the Donbas area in late November 2014 and Donetsk on 30 November 2014, where he seems to have met Igor ‘Strelkov’ Girkin and claims to have received a watch for Christmas from ‘Khmuryi’, General Major Sergey Nikolaevich Petrovsky.

Sergey Dubinsky (right) with Mikhail Porechenkov (left) in Donetsk, Ukraine, autumn 2014, photograph uploaded 15 October 2016.

Sergey Dubinsky (middle) in Donetsk, Ukraine, in December 2014, photograph uploaded 15 October 2016. Left: Ivan Okhlobystin, Right: Ivan’s wife Oksana Arbuzova.

The December 2014 photograph shows Sergey Dubinsky in what appears to be a Russian military uniform with the rank major general, quite comparable to, for example, the 2015 uniform of Russia’s Defense Ministry Spokesperson Major General Igor Konashenkov. Dubinsky seems to wear a shoulder patch of either ‘Spetsnaz GRU’, the special forces of the Russian Main Intelligence Directorate, or the Russian Ground Forces, though he reportedly resigned from the Russian Armed Forces in April 2014.

It seems that Dubinsky left Donetsk in early 2015 and was even denied entry to the Donetsk People’s Republic because of extracting money from businessmen. A decree of the Russian Federation of 17 April 2015 (which has been archived) sought to revoke money from Sergey Dubinsky, and described how he received a pension for his service in several military units. The first unit named is military unit 61019, a unit that was very likely disbanded quite some time ago, as no information is available on it online. The second unit mentioned is the aforementioned military unit 11659, or the 22nd Spetsnaz Brigade, and the third unit mentioned is military unit 51019, or the 116th Separate Special Purpose Radio Unit, located in Stepnoy.

Photographs uploaded in the summer of 2016 show Dubinsky’s new house, which was geolocated to the same location of the InformNapalm article: ulitsa Molodozhnaya in Bolshoy Log, Rostov Oblast in Russia. Only the house number is not clear, as Google and Yandex maps do not specify house numbers for all the houses in that street, but likely the house number is 4a, rather than 4b. The view in the photograph corresponds to the view behind the house on Google Streetview. Another photograph shows Dubinsky in a Canadian-produced vehicle, a Can-Am Commander XT, worth almost $15,000 when purchased new.

The new house of Sergey Dubinsky, where he (and his family) very likely live since 2015, photograph uploaded 8 August 2016.

Sergey Dubinsky sitting in a Can-Am Commander XT, likely in front of his house, photograph uploaded 4 August 2016.

Bellingcat’s conclusion is that the man whose telephone was tapped by the Ukrainian Security Service on 17 July 2014, assuming the SBU correctly identified his voice and/or knew that the intercepted telephone number belonged to him and was thus involved in the transport of the Buk missile launcher that downed MH17 on the same date, is named Sergey Nikolaevich Dubinsky, nicknamed ‘Khmuryi’. Dubinsky is a Russian war veteran and was a colonel in July 2014, fought in the Soviet-Afghan war and later in Chechnya, and later served in the 22nd Spetsnaz Brigade, a unit connected to the ‘GRU’, the Main Intelligence Directorate. This man does not appear to be the same person as the bearded man, who likely coincidentally also used the call sign ‘Khmuryi’ in a June 2014 interview; Dubinsky wrote in the Antikvariat forum on 2 July 2014 that he had been confused with someone else “from Slavyansk.” However, Dubinsky may be the same person as the masked man in an October 2014 video titled ‘Sergey Nikolaevich Petrovsky (call sign Khmuryi, Bad Soldier)’, previously uploaded on 12 June 2014 as ‘Spetsnaz of Strelkov’. Dubinsky wrote in the same post of 2 July 2014 on the Antikvariat forum that he is not a man seen in the media, with one exception, just as he read in the text of the 12 June 2014 video.

Sergey Dubinsky was granted the higher rank of major general in the Donetsk People’s Republic in, apparently, August 2014, shortly after the downing of MH17, and later relocated to the Russian Federation after being expelled from Donetsk for alleged financial crimes. Nowadays Dubinsky lives a fairly luxurious life for Russian standards, in a quiet village, spending time with his family and enjoying rides in an expensive recreational vehicle.

Daniel Romein

Daniel Romein is an IT-specialist and open source investigator focused on the MH17 case and the conflict in Ukraine. He started as volunteer in 2014 and currently works as full time employee for Bellingcat.

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491 Comments

  1. Timur I. Davletshin

    We need more fake medals! Looks like they hired students to make all that ridiculous publication.

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  2. Dissident Voice

    Most interesting of this report is the (unmentioned) assumption, which is the SBU really intercepted “the” call at the date they say they did.

    On a webforum Khmuryi once admitted the calls were “authentic”, which could allude to the undisputed fact it was his voice and some of the events took place though probably in another order and date in time.

    Furthermore, there are a lot of inconsistencies displayed in the calls when the information given is analyzed. Michael Kobs wrote about the incomprehensability of the intercepts at page 5-8 in his report below:

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/267001590/Bellingcat-the-Launch-Site

    Also technical analysis showed the intercepts were edited heavily. Always a pity Bellingcat does not engage in such kind of endeavor. We now have a lot information about a person whose complicity depends on faked SBU tapes.

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      • stranger

        Exactly, that is the first the cats must have done. For MoD they studied the satellite images with ELA, misapplied but still tried. Here they just take it as the ultimate truth. Why? Because they are paid for that. The authenticity of the voice doesn’t mean the record isn’t cut from diff unrelated fragments or even words said different time different place unrelated topic.

        At least the should have tried to professionally analyze the record and identify glue points with frequency analysis or something. They didn’t even try.

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    • CFL68

      “the undisputed fact it was his voice and some of the events took place though probably in another order and date in time.”

      So he helped deliver a Russian buk on a different day? Wow. That will save him in court!

      “faked SBU tapes.”

      You just confirmed that the tapes were authentic but edited. Of course they were edited. They probably sifted through dozens or hundreds of conversations and redacted 98% leaving only what was directly related to the issue. Namely, that Khmuriy was directly involved in delivering a Russian buk to rebels in the exact location of the mh17 shoot down. It aligns almost precisely with all the other evidence including video from multiple sources.

      Other rebel leaders like Kozytsin have also confirmed authenticity of SBU audio intercepts during this same time period on this same subject.

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      • Dissident Voice

        Maybe they had a Buk on some day, yes. Logicaly speaking, possession of a weapon does not mean it was this weapon that was also used.

        You do know the Ukrainians had Buks in the area south from the Ilovaisk- Snizhne axis, right? So apply the same standard: “opportunity”.

        Kozytsin confirmed, Bezler confirmed, Khmuryi did too. What they did not confirm was the narrative the SBU tried to inflict by suggestively editing and splicing parts of intercepts to create a narrative that sinks in easily with the gullable because it fits the desired story.

        Thats why I said: voices, undisputable “authentic”. Narrative: created by giving preformed impressions and splicing parts suggestively.

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        • CFL68

          “Maybe they had a Buk on some day, yes. Logicaly speaking, possession of a weapon does not mean it was this weapon that was also used.”

          Yet they deny having the weapon and Russia denies providing the weapon. Where is this weapon? Yet here it is on audio that this guy is confirming Russia delivered it ‘s ekipazhom’ to the exact launching area, which is also confirmed by multiple video sources before and after launch.

          You could propose any narrative you want, but if we look at what is plausible and rank in terms of probability, its pretty clear to any rational person what is most likely to have happened. You people spend ridiculous amounts of energy trying to deny and distract from the obvious while promoting the least likely scenarios. What kind of monster are you? There is a very straight forward explanation for this: Rebels were losing and suffering from air strikes and ground assaults. They asked for and were given advanced buk SAM systems to counter this, and they accidentally shot down mh17. There are mountains of evidence supporting the other forms of military support as well – from buryat tankers in their t72b3 tanks, to artillery and rocket launches in some cases from the territory of Russia.

          “You do know the Ukrainians had Buks in the area south from the Ilovaisk- Snizhne axis”

          Why would Ukraine with its integrated air defense systems deliberately target an eastbound civilian airliner in a busy flight corridor when there were ZERO cases of aviation threats from Russia?

          “Kozytsin confirmed, Bezler confirmed, Khmuryi did too.”

          You mean they did not admit to shooting down mh17? Well that is reassuring ;).

          “What they did not confirm was the narrative the SBU tried to inflict”

          What was their narrative? I saw the interview with Kozytsin. He confirmed everything in context, but just denied the main point – that his people fired the missile. When asked who fired the missile, he just blushed and said ‘no comment.’

          What was Khmuriy’s proposed narrative? That he brought over a Russian buk but on a different day? LOL?

          What does your BS get you? Covering up the murder of all of these people – from mh17 – and for the conflict in general that Russia has illegally ignited and sustained – makes you an accomplice. Not sure what level of accountability will finally be achieved and how long it will take, but I certainly do not begrudge any of Russia’s victims from exacting justice upon the guilty by whatever means practicably if Russia does not in good faith provide judicial avenues.

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          • stranger

            Even IF we assume the rebels shot it from Russian supplied buk by mistake. So what? Many countries shot civil liners unintentionally like Ukraine, United States, or sometimes intentionally like Israel, several dozen liners were shot by missiles for some recent time(see wiki). Russia or rebels could not have done it intentionally, that was the huge strike at the main idea of novorosia. Ukraine is very hard to suspect too, but the only beneficiary is Ukraine, And it your belletrists payed a fraction of such attention to that as they paed to Moscow buildings explosions, that is the great ground for conspiracy.

            You’d better ask where is JIT with their investigation and why in the hell Ukraine as one of the main suspects participates in the investigation and Russia is not?

          • CFL68

            “So what?”

            It matters because it would mean Russia is an active participant in state sponsored aggression against Ukraine, and there is a whole avalanche of repercussions from that. It means Putin has been lying to his people and the world all along about Russian involvement. Hundreds of time he and his administration have lied as a policy of state – pretending to be for peace while being the actual culprits. It is so important that Russia has been lying for years to cover its atrocities.

            If it wasn’t important than ask Putin why he has lied all along.

            As for Ukraine being involved in investigation, in fact they are the primary investigative agent per international agreements. They have handed off to the Netherlands because they suffered the most. Ukraine is not a real suspect unless you are the victim of absurd Russian propaganda.

            Like you implied about the Russians/rebels not doing it intentionally, it is only the POS Russians who have had their generals give press conferences that it was a Ukrainian su25 that shot it down intentionally, and Russian state TV has devoted hundreds of hours of programming to bogus discussions about su25’s and machine guns, etc., overtly claiming that the Ukrops did it on purpose.

            Seriously – just STFU already with your tired propaganda memes. JIT is an international investigation led by the Dutch and there is no indication that they are not pursuing an open and objective investigation.

            Russia is clearly lying and trying to cover up its criminal acts and is unwilling to accept responsibility. And you ask ‘So what?’

          • CFL68

            “So what?”

            It matters because it would mean Russia is an active participant in state sponsored aggression against Ukraine, and there is a whole avalanche of repercussions from that. It means Putin has been lying to his people and the world all along about Russian involvement. Hundreds of time he and his administration have lied as a policy of state – pretending to be for peace while being the actual culprits. It is so important that Russia has been lying for years to cover its atrocities.

            If it wasn’t important than ask Putin why he has lied all along.

            As for Ukraine being involved in investigation, in fact they are the primary investigative agent per international agreements. They have handed off to the Netherlands because they suffered the most. Ukraine is not a real suspect unless you are the victim of absurd Russian propaganda.

            Like you implied about the Russians/rebels not doing it intentionally, it is only the P/O/S Russians who have had their generals give press conferences that it was a Ukrainian su25 that shot it down intentionally, and Russian state TV has devoted hundreds of hours of programming to bogus discussions about su25’s and machine guns, etc., overtly claiming that the Ukrops did it on purpose.

            Seriously – just S/T/F/U already with your tired propaganda memes. JIT is an international investigation led by the Dutch and there is no indication that they are not pursuing an open and objective investigation.

            Russia is clearly lying and trying to cover up its criminal acts and is unwilling to accept responsibility. And you ask ‘So what?’

          • CFL68

            “So what?”

            It matters because it would mean Russia is an active participant in state sponsored aggression against Ukraine, and there is a whole avalanche of repercussions from that. It means Putin has been lying to his people and the world all along about Russian involvement. Hundreds of times he and his administration have lied as a policy of state – pretending to be for peace while being the actual culprits. It is so important that Russia has been lying for years to cover its atrocities.

            If it wasn’t important than ask Putin why the entire government apparatus of Russia has been lying all along.

            As for Ukraine being involved in investigation, in fact they are the primary investigative agent per international agreements. They have handed off to the Netherlands because they suffered the most. Ukraine is not a real suspect unless you are the victim of absurd Russian propaganda.

            Like you implied about the Russians/rebels not doing it intentionally, it is only the Russians who have had their generals give press conferences that it was a Ukrainian su25 that shot it down intentionally, and Russian state TV has devoted hundreds of hours of programming to bogus discussions and reports from engineers, etc., about su25’s and machine guns, etc., overtly claiming that the Ukrops did it on purpose.

            Seriously – just hush-up already with your tired propaganda memes. JIT is an international investigation led by the Dutch and there is no indication that they are not pursuing an open and objective investigation. Its funny you people imply that the main victims are colluding with the perps to blame the innocent Russians.

            Russia is clearly lying and trying to cover up its criminal acts and is unwilling to accept responsibility. And you ask ‘So what?’

          • CFL68

            “So what?”

            It matters because it would mean Russia is an active participant in state sponsored aggression against Ukraine, and there is a whole avalanche of repercussions from that. It means Putin has been lying to his people and the world all along about Russian involvement. Hundreds of times he and his administration have lied as a policy of state – pretending to be for peace while being the actual culprits. It is so important that Russia has been lying for years to cover its atrocities.

            If it wasn’t important than ask Putin why the entire government apparatus of Russia has been lying all along.

          • stranger

            Blyat’ who you are jammed Russia is lying Russia is lying… I don’t get the information from Russian government or tv, I don’t watch Russian tv for 8 years or so.
            And you are not lying? Open any of your mainstream newspapers, lie, lie, and lie, sometimes just fantasy. They poured shit on Russia, now partially forgot Russia, and switched to Trump. Even your best NYT, and WP.
            You know what is joyful? That Russia is on the same side with American president now, and all sladerers can be accused in anti-Americanism!

          • CFL68

            “Russia is on the same side with American president now, and all sladerers can be accused in anti-Americanism!”

            LOL you morons don’t grasp the notion of free press or democracy – however imperfect. Holding a vote is not democracy. Opposing bad policies or idiotic behavior of a temporarily elected official does not make a person or newspaper ‘unamerican.’ Quite the contrary. You won’t understand so don’t bother.

          • CFL68

            “Blyat’ who you are jammed Russia is lying Russia is lying”

            Because Russia IS lying. It lied when it invaded Crimea and said it didn’t. It lied when it sent killers and tanks and buks into Ukraine to make war – but still claims even now that it didn’t.

            I am not lying. Putin is lying. You are lying. Ukrainians are dying.

            This war ends when you stop lying and Russia pulls out of Ukraine. There is no downside to this. The war will end. There never were and will never be mass graves or raped and crucified Russians and other BS. Probably some people will be prosecuted. Probably some criminal killers will face harsh justice – but most likely they will flee to their true Rodina. Would that they had simply done that in the first place…

            All Ukrainians, whatever that ethnic heritage, will live in peace under Ukrainian laws, and Ukraine will begin long slow process of rebuilding and orienting polically, socially, and economically towards Europe. This does not mean it will lose ties with Russia. But of course Russian aggression has set back relations for decades.

          • stranger

            “LOL you morons don’t grasp the notion of free press or democracy”
            Should we laugh here or assume you are not completely recovered from your heavy drinks or drugs yesterday, or confirm you are just lying as always?

            You called Russians – morons, ok, tell us your ethnicity, whoever you are there, Jewish, Irish or anything and we will find examples in history what morons you are.

            You are not sustaining a serious and honest discussion. Really look from outside. You impose you black and white view where Russians are always guilty, and everybody else are always angels with white feather wings. Don’t your wings disturb you when you are lying and lying?

            You don’t seem honest, even though you not so stupid not to understand what you are saying. You are here just to nail propagandistic mems, repeating again and again and denying everything else.

            Of course the war ends, gradually people will return to the relationships which were there for centuries. Long, great and wealthy life for Ukraine, of course. But you gave a bait for Ukrainians and deceived them, torn off from Russia and dropped to dye. Help Ukraine instead of bullying Russia.

          • CFL68

            “You impose you black and white view where Russians are always guilty, and everybody else are always angels with white feather wings.”

            Not at all, I have stated many times that all humans are probably selfish bastards. Americans, Ukrainians, Russians, Chinese, etc. Humans are a bad lot.

            I take that for granted.

            But what is happening here is that on top of all of that, Russia sent thousands of killers/tanks/grads/buks into Ukraine to make war and kill Ukrainians because of a range of bullshit excuses that are so ridiculous Putin cannot even transparently admit what he is doing.

            Do you understand? You don’t need to make up fake arguments about white and black angels. That has nothing to do with this. The Russian chain of command made explicit decisions to wage a low level war in Ukraine with the specific purpose of destabilizing and sputnik who was trying to leave orbit. There is a whole range of deliberate decisions and plans and systems and bureaucracy that must be engaged to transport, equip, and finance this conflict. You don’t just get a ‘BUK s ekipazhom or a unit of Buryat tankers’ into a foreign war zone without a lot of plans and efforts.

            None of your excuses justify Russian aggression, and the fact that humans, including subspecies americana and ukropus, are also bastards is also not a justification.

          • CFL68

            “You impose you black and white view where Russians are always guilty, and everybody else are always angels with white feather wings.”

            Not at all, I have stated many times that all humans are probably selfish bstrdz. Americans, Ukrainians, Russians, Chinese, etc. Humans are a bad lot.

            I take that for granted.

            But what is happening here is that on top of all of that, Russia sent thousands of killers/tanks/grads/buks into Ukraine to make war and kill Ukrainians because of a range of absurd excuses that are so ridiculous Putin cannot even transparently admit what he is doing.

            Do you understand? You don’t need to make up fake arguments about white and black angels. That has nothing to do with this. The Russian chain of command made explicit decisions to wage a low level war in Ukraine with the specific purpose of destabilizing and sputnik who was trying to leave orbit. There is a whole range of deliberate decisions and plans and systems and bureaucracy that must be engaged to transport, equip, and finance this conflict. You don’t just get a ‘BUK s ekipazhom or a unit of Buryat tankers’ into a foreign war zone without a lot of plans and efforts.

            None of your excuses justify Russian aggression, and the fact that humans, including subspecies americana and ukropus, are also bstrdz is also not a justification.

          • CFL68

            “You impose you black and white view where Russians are always guilty, and everybody else are always angels with white feather wings.”

            Not at all, I have stated many times that all humans are probably selfish jerks. Americans, Ukrainians, Russians, Chinese, etc. Humans are a bad lot.

            I take that for granted.

            But what is happening here is that on top of all of that, Russia sent thousands of killers/tanks/grads/buks into Ukraine to make war and kill Ukrainians because of a range of absurd excuses that are so ridiculous Putin cannot even transparently admit what he is doing.

            Do you understand? You don’t need to make up fake arguments about white and black angels. That has nothing to do with this. The Russian chain of command made explicit decisions to wage a low level war in Ukraine with the specific purpose of destabilizing and sputnik who was trying to leave orbit. There is a whole range of deliberate decisions and plans and systems and bureaucracy that must be engaged to transport, equip, and finance this conflict. You don’t just get a ‘BUK s ekipazhom or a unit of Buryat tankers’ into a foreign war zone without a lot of plans and efforts.

            None of your excuses justify Russian aggression, and the fact that humans, including subspecies americana and ukropus, are also nasty jerks is also not a justification.

          • CFL68

            “You impose you black and white view where Russians are always guilty, and everybody else are always angels with white feather wings.”

            Not at all, I have stated many times that all humans are probably selfish jerks. Americans, Ukrainians, Russians, Chinese, etc. Humans are a bad lot.

            I take that for granted.

            But what is happening here is that on top of all of that, Russia sent thousands of soldiers/tanks/grads/buks into Ukraine to make war because of a range of absurd excuses that are so ridiculous Putin cannot even transparently admit what he is doing.

            Do you understand? You don’t need to make up fake arguments about white and black angels. That has nothing to do with this. The Russian chain of command made explicit decisions to wage a low level war in Ukraine with the specific purpose of destabilizing and sputnik who was trying to leave orbit. There is a whole range of deliberate decisions and plans and systems and bureaucracy that must be engaged to transport, equip, and finance this conflict. You don’t just get a ‘BUK s ekipazhom or a unit of Buryat tankers’ into a foreign war zone without a lot of plans and efforts.

            None of your excuses justify Russian aggression, and the fact that humans, including subspecies americana and ukropus, are also nasty jerks is also not a justification.

          • CFL68

            “You impose you black and white view where Russians are always guilty, and everybody else are always angels with white feather wings.”

            Not at all, I have stated many times that all humans are probably selfish jerks. Americans, Ukrainians, Russians, Chinese, etc. Humans are a bad lot.

            I take that for granted.

            But what is happening here is that on top of all of that, Russia sent thousands of soldiers/tanks/grads/buks into Ukraine to make war because of a range of absurd excuses that are so ridiculous Putin cannot even transparently admit what he is doing.

          • stranger

            Who should he admit, that you are selfish ass-holes trying to play at the grand chessboard now in the post soviet space, after bringing conflicts and destruction in a similar way to the Middle East. Ask how many detonation points did civilized Europeans created in the Middle East by recutting the territories and countries as was convenient for them. One Israel tells a lot..

          • Dissident Voice

            Sorry, I don’t discuss matter of logic with clear biased people casting around inuendo.

          • CFL68

            Innuendo lol?

            Here is exact same buk convoy on exact same route towards launch site filmed deep inside rebel territory that can be geolocated exactly on Avtotransportnaya street near traffic circle with Rjepina street.

            Can you explain why you people are so afraid of the truth if your cause is just? Why do you spend years fabricating webs of lies to hide the truth? This goes beyond mere ham fisted blundering. Russia is engaged in deliberate and lethal deception at the highest levels. How does the civilized world engage with such sh/ts?

          • brylcream

            @CFL68

            “Same buk convoy. Same route. Deep in rebel territory.”

            That video was recorded in June, not in July. You have an Elderberry blossoming there. That’s why it’s blurred.

          • Dissident Voice

            So the boys from Chernukhino did it and you know that for certain because you read out the blushing face of Kozytsin? The BS machine never stops, I guess.

          • Dissident Voice

            CFL68: About that Makeevka video. Isn’t it magic you can see 5 or 6 escorting vehicles, including Khmuryi’s Peugeot 3008, whereas on any other footage you can see only two cars at most?

            I mean, even the JIT didn’t use this video in its animation of the route. Furthermore, on the Stratfor satellite imagery this Peugeot and another car in front of the transport are vanished into thin air – only 45 seconds after the car with dashcam passed the truck.

            I must say, you are throwing in a red herring. I was talking about the taps and their manipulations. Now some dude claimed on a webforum the records were authentic. But as Aric rushed to claim on twitter, there is no certainty to believe this is actually the man heard on the taps and, second and more important, we don’t know how to intepret this statement.

            Aric seems to jump to the conclusion he got hold of a first class confession, however logical thinking provided us with all kinds of build-in problems to draw conclusions like this.

            To me it seems that the most logical explanantion is that even IF this virtual person who only posted on this forum for 2 months in 2015, really is the same peson from the tapes, he must not have had the intention of supporting the narrative of the Buk that went with Vostok on the 17th (an event which did not take place either). I guess he only confirms it was his voice.

            But that the tapes contain voices of real separatists was never disputed. Again its the impressions of the built narrative that bothers. I.e. splicing a conversation from Bezler on the 16th to a conversation an hour after MH17 was downed with Kozytsin and someone present at the site finding debris of the plane, suggesting both had anything to do with eachother.

            Kozytsin didn’t know anything at the time, as he acts surprised about the downing as his partner says “I saw it wa s an AN-26 ON THE NEWS”. Then he claims in the Ostrovksy interview a missile was fired, much later when knowledge about a hit was publically running.

            Had he got info from the shooters or the chain of command with inside information? We can not say. Did he mean a SAM or an air-to-air missile? We just don’t know. Did he “blush” because it was kind of a pretty accusative agressive question or because your built-in lie-detector says he was lying? And why was his reply translated by “No comment” when actually it could better have been translated by “I don’t know”?

            So, rational people see these kinds of pitfalls. You obviously don’t.

        • Robert

          There is no doubt whatsoever that MH17 was shot down by Russians in July 2014. I clearly remember the expressions on the faces of the ‘rebels’ in east Ukraine of sorrow and bemusement that they had done that deed.

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  3. Mike

    The work of internationally renowned and popular investigator is continuing successfully. Eliot Higgins, previously downtrodden and unshaven Englishman, at the behest of a magic wand (like CIA and SBU) has become a professional investigator. Dozens of the best Dutch minds are not able to investigate crash of MH17 third year, whereas a modest guy Eliot Higgins doing it for 5 seconds. Sleight of hand and no fraud just.

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  4. Mr.Bushkin

    It’s certainly interesting, but you should not forget that a purely virtual and easy to manipulate environments like social networks can be used to produce any type of purely virtual traces, indications and counter indications by any random impartial source.

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    • stranger

      Aha, one group of hypothetical somebody fakes the evidences and put on the internet. The other group -bloggers or propagandists who are working day and night to promote a single political view, just “occasionally find” this piece on the internet and send to the “independand investigators”. The “independent investigators” find the authors from the third group to “analyse this piece of sensational news” The authors provide the articles, investigators publish. So that the investigators might or might not know about the whole team.

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      • Mr.Bushkin

        Perhaps, but I’d however not compare the impact of such activities to for instance press reports about sighting of an alleged Russian micro-submarine near Swedish coast, aggregation of press reports into some “Atlantic Thinktank” study and re-utilization of the study by the press, when original press reports are already forgotten.

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        • stranger

          “Atlantic Think Tank” is beneficial because they bear no ANY responsibility. A thinktank is supposed to be used for “brainstorm” that is inventing any ideas even crazies hoping one of them may be useful. The disseminating information via a think tank assuming it must be accurate, investigations via the think tank assuming it must be objective, providing the intransparent financing of the tank, is a nonsense right from the very idea of thinktanks. They are serving different purpose. To the best of my understanding though.

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        • stranger

          Though where do you see the source of biased press? Probably the same kind of question as on Nulland…

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          • Mr.Bushkin

            Quote: “Though where do you see the source of biased press? Probably the same kind of question as on Nulland…”

            In my opinion, there is no unbiased press at all, since your impartiality ends at least when you start to take money from somebody.

          • stranger

            Yes, but from time to time they start to sing all in unison. For Clinton’s campaign, for anti Russian hysteria etc. It is interesting what synchronizes them… especially in the light of propagandistic coordination centers created everywhere also coordinated with NAT0 and governments, not too many so far of course. I don’t think NYT would be affected by them, but still when such mess starts NYT invites only expected all the same journalists and somehow is interested.

  5. brylcream

    Bellingcat reinvented the wheel here, most of these facts are known to those who followed the events in Ukraine closely.

    “and later relocated to the Russian Federation after being expelled from Donetsk for alleged financial crimes.”

    Do you have any facts to support these claims?

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  6. Dude

    Heheh.. So funny… Rushka-trolls as always are trying to shift the discussion
    in the comments towards a completely unrelated topic – “Malorossiya”..

    Rushka-trolls!
    Revenons a nos [s]moutons[/s] rushka-orks!

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      • CFL68

        “The war is going in malorossia, how is it unrelated?”

        You keep pretending that remote and cherry picked historical narratives are a casus belli and excuse for Russian tanks and buks.

        This is complete and utter B/S.

        Malorussians are not making war in Ukraine. Russia is making war. There is no conflict anywhere in Ukraine – even in other highly Russified regions – except where actual Russians came with guns and tanks and made war.

        You are a cynical P/O/S.

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        • stranger

          That is not an excuse, that is the larger prospective so that you ever understood what is going on. You are saying about the Russians there, but you omit the coup, you omit the reasons led to the coup, the third parties tried to influence things, who are people of Donbas, why they oppose the nationalistic Ukraine etc.

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          • CFL68

            Of course it is an excuse. A very shtty and cynical one. You are making vague and subjective historical references as an excuse for real Russian warlords and fighters who freely cross Russian border and are armed and financed by the Russian chain of command. There is no conflict anywhere in Ukraine except where these Russians came and made war. This is not an internal war. This is Russia with buks and active duty buryat tankers in Ukraine killing Ukrainians.

            And STFU about a coup. A corrupt leader lost his grip on power and his regime collapsed and he fled. He handled massive peaceful protests badly and escalated violence and the escalation was returned. He was denounced even by his opwn party and fled. The elected parliament appointed temp government pending elections and several have already been held. No fascists are not running Ukraine. No there are no mass graves and there have never been crucifixions or language bans. This is just all your Russian lies.

            Sure Ukraine is going through internal political turmoil – but it never ever would have been a shooting war without Russia deliberately making war.

            So you will keep resurfacing these arguments about malo-whateverthefck-russians from 200 years ago being the real reason active duty buryat tankers are in Ukraine killing Ukrainians. I just suggest for the sake of human decency that you STFU finally.

          • brylcream

            “He handled massive peaceful protests badly ”

            https://youtu.be/zV-TZQKgAPE?t=2m15s

            “The elected parliament appointed temp government pending elections and several have already been held. No fascists are not running Ukraine. No there are no mass graves and there have never been crucifixions or language bans. This is just all your Russian lies.”

            The lawmakers didn’t have enough votes to impeach the president, the constitution of Ukraine is very clear about that.

            http://i.imgur.com/H0XeeHp.jpg

            Who is this guy? Oh, he is the Chairmen of the Rada and he was Secretary of the National Security and Defence Council of Ukraine.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm7ddYOYW1Q

          • stranger

            “He handled massive peaceful protests badly and escalated violence and the escalation was returned.”
            He handled badly because he didn’t disperse the protesters to all the devils and didn’t capture and prison the provocateurs. Nothing of what we are discussing would happen
            He had been waiting and waiting pressed by US and hypnotized by Nulland constantly meeting him as a master and insisting to remove any objections to the protesters even when they started to burn alive policemen who just stayed and defended the parliament from the crowd and had a strict order not to answer.
            Never ever during Yunukovich so much blood was shed as from the protesters and the new government, even before Russia joined. The new government didn’t wait on protesters, they killed them from automatic weapon as in Mariupol demonstration, as in Krasnogorsk on south east referendum for independence.
            Yanuk didn’t realize the scope of the events and could not have ever imaging that is going to happen, too weak too retarded to solve the conflict in the beginning.
            With all his corruption…

          • CFL68

            “He handled badly because he didn’t disperse the protesters to all the devils and didn’t capture and prison the provocateurs.”

            He tried this and failed. He used violence to clear Maidan and stop the peaceful protests. The world watched. THEN the protesters escalated. Sorry but there is plenty of video evidence of the protests. They were massive centralized protests against a corrupt leader that were peaceful until the government got violent.

            “even before Russia joined.”

            In case you missed it Russia had already used lethal force to invade and annex Crimea, and its agents were infiltrating Donbass and were armed and involved in many of the admin building takeovers. Then in April serious well kitted Russian paramilitary groups launched military style ambushes on Ukrainian troops and took over some towns. They were dressed much like the little green men of Crimea. THEN ATO was announced. The entire equation – and rules of engagement – changed once Russia used lethal force to capture Crimea, then sent paramilitary units like Girkin and Bezler and Ponmaryov and others into Donbass. They were not there for political protests. It was a foreign led military style assault on Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity.

            Mariupol battles occurred more than a month after this – and it was rebels who attacked city garrison. Of course Ukraine used lethal force against foreign led rebels who were attacking them in the name of some fairy tale novorosiya.

            The facts are established.

            You are just highlighting the Russian timeline of aggression against Ukraine. Comparing foreign led aggression to Maidan – which was a massive and peaceful political protest is degenerate.

          • stranger

            That started as a peaceful protest, the extremists and provocateurs joined. The attempts of Yanukovich to disperse were shy, careful and revoked immediately, but it is not even clear if Yanukovich was behind them but not the minister of internal affair for example. That ended like a bloody mess, where real violence started from protesters throwing molotovs and later using sniper rifles and firearms. Any country would not allow to kill low-enforcement officers w/o a right to respond.

            Watch pls the movie Maydan Massacre posted by brylcream above. That will be new for you probably or you try to keep silence on it.

          • CFL68

            He did all of those things you wanted. He cracked down violently. He shot protesters randomly. But the people didn’t back down. Everyone was appalled. Local leaders and his own party abandoned him so the corrupt leader fled back to dear daddy.

            So sorry. Your ideas didn’t work out like expected.

            But this is not at all the same as Russian aggression to invade, capture territory, then send paramilitary units into Donbass to make war.

          • stranger

            Look how Ukrainian forces and volunteers battalions particularly Dnepr fire at armless civilians at Krasnoarmeysk and Mariupol.

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-GAndGPYsv4

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5pjlDDITrmU

            When they were at Maydan they were never treated like that. That is what the new government brought, but mostly the feeling of anarchy.

            They probably lied that protesters were armed in Mariupol, give a video evidence to prove. In the video you see as unarmed protesters own Ukrainian civilians are heavily wounded or killed.

          • CFL68

            Once Russia used lethal force to rewrite borders – then sent paramilitaries into Donbass, the equation changed entirely. It was no longer centralized political protest – but armed foreign intervention (with some percentage of local support for sure). You can cherry pick videos all day long. I can show you videos of Russia firing grad rockets into Ukraine, or rebels firing grads from civilian areas, or at civilian areas, etc.

            None of this in any way excuses Russia for sending armed military and paramilitary units into Ukraine to make war. There would be no war without Russian killers and weapons – and Russia has lied about this from the beginning precisely because it has no justification. There is peace everywhere in Ukraine – even formerly occupied towns – except where Russians are in Ukraine fomenting war.

            Keep posting videos or writing long winded excuses. Tell us how bad Americans are – or even those nasty Ukrainians!

          • stranger

            Did you watch Maydan Massacre? Until then it is useless to discuss.
            I just need to remind you that the law enforcement didn’t use weapon until the

            “bloody Thursday” 20 feb when the opposition threw people to capture parliament building on the police cordon. First firearms and snipers appeared at demonstrants. The first date over 3 months when many people died from both sides. Many policemen shot to death.

            The 21 feb, Yanukovich with the mediation of EU signs the plan of a peaceful transfer of power via the rolling back to the former constitution, pre term presidential elections by the end of the year, in the exchange the protesters should have give in their fire weapon. US didn’t officially participates in the agreement. Why, BTW? They didn’t like it? Remember Nulland’s Fk EU? Whatever.

            You could thing opposition won, got all they need, Yanuk agreed to implement all demands and give up the power via election in a peaceful way. EU was happy – helped to stop the violence. If that happened we would not witness the sequence of catastrophes we are discussing now. But what happens next?

            21 feb, the nationalists from Maydan claimed they refute to give up weapon, Yanukovich must go immediately, they continued fighting. The next bloody day, the law enforcement was given weapon. Bloody clashes and mysterious snipers murders. Now US is happy and ensure their people at all key positions of the new government. Europe is shocked and confused.

            Agree that doesn’t look like the soft nice picture you are trying to “sell” us? Don’t you see you are lying and keep silence on the facts not fit into you black and white vision?

          • CFL68

            Oh please just stop. You keep dancing and weaving to construct absurd narratives that are beside the point anyway. Don’t defend notoriously corrupt kremlin puppet Yanukovych. He used violence against peaceful protesters and things escalated. The protesters had a handful of guns. I linked you the video that shows berkut deliberately murdering unarmed protesters – aim, shoot, kill, aim, shoot, kill, aim, shoot, kill. Many dozens were murdered that day according to same formula.

            But this is beside the point. Yanukovych fled not because his palace was stormed by paramilitaries or even grubby protesters, but because he was denounced by his own people. It was not the opposition that ousted him. He fled when he was abandoned. Try to digest that. He left a vacuum and the elected parliament appointed temp government pending elections.

            You try to blame US coup but I showed you irrefutable audio evidence that Nuland supported Yanukovych’s offer to bring opposition into government. That’s when she said “F the EU” but you still try to use that as evidence of some US coup. You are full of S from your toes to your head.

            No doubt Ukrainians and Americans and Russians and Chinese are all bad nasty selfish people – but none of these droning BS posts of yours justify armed Russian aggression against Ukraine.

            Of course it Russia did score that wonderful strategic and coveted gem Crimea. Good for Russia. Should have paid the price and stopped there.

          • stranger

            CFL, stop, lets base of facts, not your empty speculations. I described 3 last the bloodiest days where 90% on victims compared to the other 3 month.
            Can you agree protester got the weapon first and snipers appeared and only after that police was given weapon?
            Do you agree that Ukraine with EU had already signed a peaceful power transition and the opposition violated it and refused to give up the weapon?
            Do you agree Yanukovich was elected mostly by the south east and Crimea, more Russian, and pro Russian areas, while the western part like Lvov, Vinnitsa, Galitsia etc voted solely for his opponents. The vote separation east/west was very distinct and remarkable. That along with Maydan, in Kiev was AntiMaydan where mostly people from those areas protested against Maydan. That those areas were against the coup and any coup don’t represent all people, but only elections do.
            Are there any errors in my chronology of facts?
            Yanukovich didn’t fled. He went to his Party of Regions at the east Kharkov or Donbas somewhere there. He said his cortège was attacked by fire. He definitely was afraid for his life. But he didn’t give up his position of presidency.
            The parliament in an unlawful way w/o the necessary number of voters decided that he is no longer president.
            As for Nulland, do you remember what exactly they were discussing in hints: Nulland said they are going come along Robert Sera (Dutch Ambassador in Ukraine) and Pan GI Moon to “glue all those things” she said UN will help us to glue things, and added F.k EU. That was several weeks before the “bloody Thursday” and EU mediated peaceful transition agreement, no US participated there officially. Did Nulland mean to only help Yanuk to choose new candidate from opposition to a key government position and what where “all things” they tried to “glue” via UN to f.k EU?? Could you answer?
            Again and again the things were not as you describe us.

          • CFL68

            Sorry but before I read any of your convoluted posts, tell me this:

            Does it justify armed Russian aggression on the territory of Ukraine?

            I just need a yes or no. Either way there is no need for further discussion. We both know the answer to this question, and the only issue is getting Russia to transparently address its grave violations of Ukrainian sovereignty and international law that has left many thousands dead.

            Once Russia stops its aggression the conflict ends and Ukraine can rebuild and move forward.

          • CFL68

            As for Nuland call, we have been through this before. Putin presented it as evidence of a US coup – and you still push this narrative. In fact, it was a discussion about Yanukovych’s surprise move to invite opposition into government to form coalition. This happened around January 25th 2014. It was covered by all news outlets. The US was clearly surprised. The US clearly supported this move. Do you understand? The US wanted to use its influence to make it work – and they also expected Russia to ‘torpedo’ Yanukovych’s offer.

            This is absolutely clear from audio yet Putin and his minions like you create an absolutely false narrative – yet again – trying to make it sound like a US coup where we chose the next leaders of Ukraine. It was Yanukovych who made the offer and the US was surprised by it but supported it. Rather than being coup masterminds, the US didn’t even have enough influence to get the opposition to agree to deal.

            Keep pushing your lies – even though the truth was clear enough from public news media – even Russian – in late January 2014.

            What sort of cynical and despicable and bloodthirsty piece of crap human is still using this nonsense to push lies about a US coup? You are perfect example of Russian integrity. No doubt years form now you will still be peddling this garbage.

  7. Dude

    BTW, it looks like that rushka-ork Khmuriy did not earn much because
    of his participation in rushka-invasion into Ukraine…
    Could he be persuaded to defect?
    Or he is too deep in the GRU/FSB/etc shit?

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  8. Dude

    BTW, what about those infamous rushka black-ops goons ..ehhhh..
    what’s their name.
    Their commander was awarded a medal by Pootler personally… There is a photo..

    Is Khmyryi from the same unit, or i he is from a different tribe of rushka-orks?

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